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    so triumph let me get something straight, you believe that just cos terrorists like bin laden say that he wants to overthrow the western civilization. it means that he represents the whole islamic population around the world, an islamic conspiracy.

    so anyway is it alright for me to say that all americans have a fetish for homosexuality and rape, cos these guys are american and they represesnt america. so is it alright for me to make that judgement.

    NO MOTHER FUCKER, ITS NOT. SOMEONES ACTIONS OR STATEMENTS DOES NOT REPRESENT THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHER PEOPLE OF THE SAME CREED OR COLOUR. wanker.

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    Further abuse at Abu Ghraib detailed

    ACLU forces US to disclose records

    By Richard A. Serrano and Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times | October 23, 2004

    WASHINGTON -- Government documents made public Thursday provide fresh details about allegations of abuse by guards at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and other detention facilities in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    They include incidents in which a female prisoner was sexually humiliated by US military intelligence officers and a male inmate was shot at to force cooperation.

    Meanwhile, a military judge has ordered two US Army reservists to stand trial in Baghdad for allegedly abusing Iraqi inmates at Abu Ghraib. Specialist Charles Graner Jr., 36, of Uniontown, Pa., will face a court-martial Jan. 7, while Sergeant Javal Davis, 26, of Maryland, is set to be tried Feb. 1.

    The US documents, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union under court order, include an internal FBI memo from last May that shows bureau employees based at Abu Ghraib witnessed a number of troubling incidents, but ''did not believe [that what they saw] rose to the level of misconduct or mistreatment."

    The materials also describe the deaths of three Abu Ghraib prisoners, all reportedly of heart attacks, within days of each other in August 2003, weeks before the now-infamous episodes of photographed abuse began occurring at the prison.

    Eight US soldiers have been charged with crimes in the Abu Ghraib scandal. Three have pleaded guilty, and one, Staff Sergeant Ivan L. ''Chip" Frederick II, was sentenced Thursday to eight years in prison.

    The latest documents were released after a federal court directed the Defense Department and other government agencies to comply with the ACLU's request under the Freedom of Information Act for more details about alleged prisoner torture and abuse.

    ''After more than a year of stonewalling, the government has finally released some documents, though many are heavily redacted," said Amrit Singh, an ACLU staff lawyer. ''Unfortunately, the government continues to withhold records that would show who was ultimately responsible for the systemic abuse of detainees."

    A preliminary review of some of the newly released material showed one case in which three US soldiers were each ordered detained for a month, fined up to $750, and reduced in rank for an incident in October 2003 in which a female Iraqi prisoner was partially stripped, abused, and threatened with more physical harm.

    The woman told army investigators that she was in her cell at Baghdad's Al-Salhyat Prison when three military interrogators escorted her to an abandoned cell. While one soldier ''acted as a lookout," the woman said, another held her hands behind her back while the third soldier ''forcefully kissed" her. She said she then was taken downstairs and shown a naked Iraqi man.
    This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
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  • #2
    triumph IS AN IDIOT. U shouldnt take him seriously.
    Bitch I'ma kill you! Like a murder weapon, I'ma conceal you in a closet with mildew, sheets, pillows and film you

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    • #3
      Seriously Socrates, this is a waste of your time, considering these 8 soldiers are not doing this to further a cause or destroy civilization. Islamic extremists all around the world war in arms against the West and its allies, from Dagestan, the Phillippines, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Isreal, Eygpt, most of Norther Africa, etc. Almost every single hotspot in the world at the moment involves some sort of Islamic movement, fighting in the name of Allah or the people of Islam.

      They claim that Mohammed is a man of peace, yet he was also a military leader, and as I have done in another post, has some not very nice things to say about "infidels". Islam was spread by war, a practice which is continued to this very day.

      Qur’an-(9:5): “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, And seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ; but if they repent (accept Islam) and establish regular prayers and practices regular charity then open the way for them; for God is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”
      Hmmmm, is that so peace loving? Did you know that Iranians to this day celebrate the death of the Islamic leader who conquered them? Muslims who live in India and Pakistan are mostly decendents of Indians that had converted to Islam or face death. Haven't you ever heard of the Turkish slaughter of the non-muslim Armenians? 2 million being killed because they weren't Muslim, sounds kinda like a sort of Nazism to me.....which gets me to the Muslim friendship with the sick man himself, Adolph Hitler, would a religion of peace ally itself with such a animal? Maybe if it could kill a few more non-believers I suppose, hey?

      Come on man, seriously, if you want to compare injustice to injustice, Islam has a longer list then any other group or nation ever.
      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

      “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Triumph

        Come on man, seriously, if you want to compare injustice to injustice, Islam has a longer list then any other group or nation ever.
        i dont know about that. im not sure who exactly it was, i think european christians, who came to the americas and slaughtered the indigenous people and took their land. Then they went to africa and took millions of people and made them slaves, and killed tons of them. how about the inquisition? and the crusades? right on up to modern days with the killing of so many innocent people in iraq, and the support of the oppression of the palestinians in their own home. Im a christian, and im not saying islam isnt fucked up, but so is christianity. Everyone on either side wants to blame the other tho, like you do, but that only increases the separation and breeds more hate and terrorism.

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        • #5
          I believe personally, that the three "war religions" (Judaism, Christianity and Islam), which all share prophets and figureheads, and history, descended from ONE manipulative source or perhaps several that wanted to raise personal armies. Both the early ***s in the Torah and Old Testement, and later the Moslems, as quoted above, were TOLD by their "god" to kill ANYBODY and ANYTHING that didn't bow down to them. That seems a little vicious to be something God could really feel, considering that he made all these people he was supposedly "commanding" they slaughter wholesale. The new testament does not tell Christians to slaughter everyone, but they did it anyway, as S-Dot pointed out. So all three of these religions are almost totally designed for war. Buddhists and Hindus just don't have as serious religious arguments as these three.

          We know these three religions believe in a war god. They all accept wholesale slaughter in the name of god. Who benefits from this? Rulers of countries, who want to expand empires, and whoever rules those rulers. God clearly does not benefit from slaughter and neither do people. Only rulers, politicians, bankers, industrialists, etc.

          So I am starting to believe that secret societies wrote (or else seriously doctored) all three war-religion books to keep the world with at least 3 views of the exact same legend or myth. This ensures that there can ALWAYS be a war at the drop of a dime. All it takes is a word. And each war, these corporations and bankers and secret societies increase their power. Suspicious?

          THere is also the possibility that these people in the Bible, Qu'ran, etc., did actually exist, although they worshipped a war god who was actually manipulating them for his own benefit. What if this war god was not a god at all, but a regular being who was either physically, energetically, or technologically more advanced, but spiritually desolate? Then all his followers would increase his power by killing each other, and man could never rise up to threaten him.

          Anyway, just a thought. I am beginning to believe that these religions were either hijacked LONG LONG ago, or else CREATED by some misled, mind-controlled people who thought the powerful beings they worshipped were actually gods. Since then, these beings, perhaps human, perhaps energetic or otherwise beyond human, have been playing chess on earth with major populations, using major religions as the vehicle for the acceptance of their agendas.

          Think about it.
          Would you let the system sit (shit) down on your head again? NO, DREAD, NO.
          Would you let the system
          make you kill your brother man? NO, DREAD, NO
          .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Triumph
            Seriously Socrates, this is a waste of your time, considering these 8 soldiers are not doing this to further a cause or destroy civilization. Islamic extremists all around the world war in arms against the West and its allies, from Dagestan, the Phillippines, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Isreal, Eygpt, most of Norther Africa, etc. Almost every single hotspot in the world at the moment involves some sort of Islamic movement, fighting in the name of Allah or the people of Islam.

            They claim that Mohammed is a man of peace, yet he was also a military leader, and as I have done in another post, has some not very nice things to say about "infidels". Islam was spread by war, a practice which is continued to this very day.



            Hmmmm, is that so peace loving? Did you know that Iranians to this day celebrate the death of the Islamic leader who conquered them? Muslims who live in India and Pakistan are mostly decendents of Indians that had converted to Islam or face death. Haven't you ever heard of the Turkish slaughter of the non-muslim Armenians? 2 million being killed because they weren't Muslim, sounds kinda like a sort of Nazism to me.....which gets me to the Muslim friendship with the sick man himself, Adolph Hitler, would a religion of peace ally itself with such a animal? Maybe if it could kill a few more non-believers I suppose, hey?

            Come on man, seriously, if you want to compare injustice to injustice, Islam has a longer list then any other group or nation ever.
            you want to go into the context of holy wars. fine i'll go into holy wars, heres a brief history of christian crusades:

            There were seven major Crusades. The era the Crusades the first began in 1095 with Pope Urban II's famous speech and the ended in 1291 when Acre, the last of the Latin holdings in Palestine, was lost. The major Crusades were:

            the first, 1095-1099, called by Pope Urban II and led by Peter the Hermit, Walter the Penniless, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin and Eustace of Flanders, and others (see also first crusade);

            the second, 1147-49, headed by King Louis VII who was enlisted by Bernard of Clairvaux, was a disastrous failure, including the loss of one of the four Latin Kingdoms, the Duchy of Edessa;

            the third, 1188-92, proclaimed by Pope Gregory VIII in the wake of the catastrophe of the second crusade, which conducted by Emperor Frederick Barbarossa, King Philip Augustus of France and King Richard "Coeur-de-Lion" of England;

            the fourth, during which Constantinople was sacked, 1202-1204 (see also fourth crusade);

            the fifth, which included the conquest of Damietta, 1217-1221;

            the sixth, in which Frederick II took part (1228 -29); also Thibaud de Champagne and Richard of Cornwall (1239);

            the seventh, led by St. Louis (Louis IX of France), 1248-50;
            so what it show, that christianity is as peaceful as islam, or are they both the same, raging crusades and jihads againsts each.
            or did you just forget, or like to forget that fact.

            the only intimidating factor i see nowadays is bush's "war on terror" or basically a war on islamic countries. going around any country in the mid east or any surrounding countries who are dominantly muslim, labelling them a threat. like the iraq war where as you dont like to admit, bush went in with FALSE evidence, which basically resulted in deaths from both sides from a futile war.

            and about that thing about most terrorists being muslim, do the math. if bush is attempting to attack or is attacking muslim countries only. its going to create rage in other muslims around the world, make them wonder why bush is attacking muslim countries only. which in turn breeds groups of terrorists. even tho most of these terrorists give a bad name for islam.

            another thing, before this war on terror began, why would bush want to call it a crusade (hey his backed by pat robertson). makes you wonder what his intentions about this war really are, to get rid of terrorists or to get rid of islam.

            now whos the nazi
            This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
            Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
            Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
            And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by S-DOT
              i dont know about that. im not sure who exactly it was, i think european christians, who came to the americas and slaughtered the indigenous people and took their land. Then they went to africa and took millions of people and made them slaves, and killed tons of them. how about the inquisition? and the crusades? right on up to modern days with the killing of so many innocent people in iraq, and the support of the oppression of the palestinians in their own home. Im a christian, and im not saying islam isnt fucked up, but so is christianity. Everyone on either side wants to blame the other tho, like you do, but that only increases the separation and breeds more hate and terrorism.
              Whoa, whoa, your assuming that I believe Christianity isn't a problem either, I do believe that is part of the problem, but not nearly as big as Islam. It's funny that you bring up slavery though, considering the majority of slave trading was done by Muslim slave traders.....which is still practice this today in Africa by Muslims. I'm not on either side, I don't believe in any God, so you can't accuse me of being biased against Islam. Islam is spread by hate and fear, top Islamic leaders poision the minds of the young, (Take Yasser Arafat for instance) and the problem is only getting worse...you bring up the Crusades, the Inquisition...those aren't going on today, but the atrocities commited in the name of Islam continue to this day as they have since the religion was first created.....while the extremist Muslim sympathizer Kofi Annan refuses to accept this fact.
              http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

              “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Triumph
                Whoa, whoa, your assuming that I believe Christianity isn't a problem either, I do believe that is part of the problem, but not nearly as big as Islam. It's funny that you bring up slavery though, considering the majority of slave trading was done by Muslim slave traders.....which is still practice this today in Africa by Muslims. I'm not on either side, I don't believe in any God, so you can't accuse me of being biased against Islam. Islam is spread by hate and fear, top Islamic leaders poision the minds of the young, (Take Yasser Arafat for instance) and the problem is only getting worse...you bring up the Crusades, the Inquisition...those aren't going on today, but the atrocities commited in the name of Islam continue to this day as they have since the religion was first created.....while the extremist Muslim sympathizer Kofi Annan refuses to accept this fact.
                so its ok for bush to into war with these muslim countries in the name of "freedom". to go into war with fake intelligence, lies and propaganda of this fake freedom. to kill the civilians of the people of those countries with the hidden intention of this war benifiting only bush and his benefactors.

                but on the other hand you have these groups of terrorists, islamic militants and iraqi insurgents (who youd probably label terrorists aswell). who fight in the name of islam, who behead someone once in a while with orange jumpsuits on, who crash in to towers. but bear in mind these groups are small in comparision to the bush's army.

                so whos the bigger threat, someone whos the most powerfull man on earth, who lies to get into other countries to kill their civilians everyday. or these terrorists (or people fighting for their country, basically labelled as terrorists), who wants america to stop fucking around with other countries.

                whos got more blood on their hand
                This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
                Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
                Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
                And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Socrates
                  so its ok for bush to into war with these muslim countries in the name of "freedom". to go into war with fake intelligence, lies and propaganda of this fake freedom. to kill the civilians of the people of those countries with the hidden intention of this war benifiting only bush and his benefactors.

                  but on the other hand you have these groups of terrorists, islamic militants and iraqi insurgents (who youd probably label terrorists aswell). who fight in the name of islam, who behead someone once in a while with orange jumpsuits on, who crash in to towers. but bear in mind these groups are small in comparision to the bush's army.

                  so whos the bigger threat, someone whos the most powerfull man on earth, who lies to get into other countries to kill their civilians everyday. or these terrorists (or people fighting for their country, basically labelled as terrorists), who wants america to stop fucking around with other countries.

                  whos got more blood on their hand
                  Once again your skirting the main topic. Terrorism by Islamists has been around for a lot longer then Bush, even a lot longer then the United States of America. Quit trying to make excuses for the centuries of bloodletting done by these people. Your making the excuse....well, Bush kills people for no reason, so they can too....give me a break dude, and accept the fact that the religion of Islam is one based on hate, murder and conquering. QUIT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES...."motherfucker".
                  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Triumph
                    Whoa, whoa, your assuming that I believe Christianity isn't a problem either, I do believe that is part of the problem, but not nearly as big as Islam. It's funny that you bring up slavery though, considering the majority of slave trading was done by Muslim slave traders.....which is still practice this today in Africa by Muslims. I'm not on either side, I don't believe in any God, so you can't accuse me of being biased against Islam. Islam is spread by hate and fear, top Islamic leaders poision the minds of the young, (Take Yasser Arafat for instance) and the problem is only getting worse...you bring up the Crusades, the Inquisition...those aren't going on today, but the atrocities commited in the name of Islam continue to this day as they have since the religion was first created.....while the extremist Muslim sympathizer Kofi Annan refuses to accept this fact.
                    alright coo, i think you place too much of the blame on islam, but i also think your right that islam is a very violent religion, even though the majority of muslims arent violent.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Triumph
                      Once again your skirting the main topic. Terrorism by Islamists has been around for a lot longer then Bush, even a lot longer then the United States of America. Quit trying to make excuses for the centuries of bloodletting done by these people. Your making the excuse....well, Bush kills people for no reason, so they can too....
                      i wasnt making excuses fool and i didnt mean that it was ok for terrorists to kill people just cos bush is attacking countries.
                      i was anwering your statement on the atrocities caused by terrorists and stating that bush has more blood on his hands than all terrorists combined.


                      give me a break dude, and accept the fact that the religion of Islam is one based on hate, murder and conquering. QUIT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES...."motherfucker".
                      yes just like christianity and judaism, there all based on slaughtering non-believers, there all based on conquering other countries, and all their foundations are based on thier holy wars...for fucks sake, just admit the fact that you got something against islam. cos you seem to blame the whole muslim population for all the killings done by these extremist terrorists..but every fucking religion has extremists, christians have their kkk, ***s have zionism..all these extremist groups show hatred and dislike towards people of other religion and they have caused bloodshed in the past and some of them still are now. but do most christians endorse the acts and beliefs of these kkk members, no and neither do most muslims agree wit al-qaeda.

                      fuck it, your right, i am wasting my time with an ignoramous like you. maybe it would make you feel better if you moved to america, joined the army, went to iraq and sodomised these towelheads..that must give you a hard on.
                      This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
                      Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
                      Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
                      And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!
                      - Fort Minor

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                      • #12
                        Don't be upset cause you know your wrong....its funny, as soon as you run out of argument you start tossing insults.....typical sore loser.
                        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                        “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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                        • #13
                          Face it. In 1999 no one wanted America to go into Kosovo. Genocide was being committed in Europe's backyard and they wouldnt do shit. In the end we went in and found genocide. Did anyone complain that we didn't go through the U.N.?

                          No. Because we were saving "white skinned europeans".

                          No one can ever interfere in the middle East because its automatically an attack on brown skinned muslims. The same reason we try not to interfere with Africa is the same reason no one wants to defend the people of the middle east of dictators. The anti-war world, led by racist europe, wont allow attacks in the middle east. Face it, Europe's hatred for ***s - particularily in France - is almost as high as it was when the Nazi's were around.

                          I'm sorry Europe, let's not save the world from dictators because your hatred and sympathy for the muslims is taking over once again. Kofi Annan, add your monkey ass into that category as well.
                          Warpox exposes himself | Editorial 1 4 | 2Pox

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                          • #14
                            Christian Church (all denominations included) today is the biggest purveyor of child sexual abuse, and it is sacred and protected in many ranks of the churches, especially, but not limited to, the Catholic church. Moslems don't really get down like that. But the leaderships of both are corrupt, and I wouldn't condone either. Wvil men run everything by simply conspiring and network, while we look at the world being run and keep pretending the steady steps to destruction are coincidental.

                            Moslems may have gotten the idea of "holy war" from Christians, but thank god that they haven't adopted Christian pedophiliac guidelines yet.....
                            Would you let the system sit (shit) down on your head again? NO, DREAD, NO.
                            Would you let the system
                            make you kill your brother man? NO, DREAD, NO
                            .

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                            • #15
                              face it, all you bush worshippers are scared of muslims, thats why you attack us. just like hitler was afriad of ***ish control and just like the white europeans in america where scared of the freed african slaves.

                              yeah demonisation and propaganda are what the US government is good at.
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                              Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
                              Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
                              And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!
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