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    We hear all this crap about the U.S. not joining in on the Kyoto Protocol, but I bet not very many of you have heard about this:

    Methane, the primary component of natural gas, accounts for 16% of all greenhouse gas emissions resulting from human activities. Because methane is both a powerful greenhouse gas and short-lived compared to carbon dioxide, achieving significant reductions would have a rapid and significant effect on atmospheric warming potential. The Methane to Markets Partnership is a major new addition to the series of international technology partnerships advanced by the Bush Administration on hydrogen, carbon sequestration, fusion and advanced nuclear power technologies. These initiatives will help develop and deploy the transformational energy technologies that will significantly cut projected emissions and the greenhouse gas intensity of the global economy in the context of sustained economic growth.
    The Partnership has the potential to deliver by 2015 annual reductions in methane emissions of up to 50 million metric tons of carbon equivalent (MMTCE) or recovery of 500 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas. These measurable results, if achieved, could lead to stabilized or even declining levels of global atmospheric concentrations of methane. To give a sense of scale, this would be equivalent to:

    Removing 33 million cars from the roadways for one year, planting 55 million acres of trees, or eliminating emissions from fifty 500 megawatt coal-fired power plants; or
    Providing enough energy to heat approximately 7.2 million households for one year.
    To check it out, go Here

    This is the countries involved.



    This initiative is compatible with the efforts made by other countries uner Kyoto, and wil be more cost effective. The U.S. will be spending $5.8 Billion to adress climate change:

    Almost $2 billion for scientific research into climate change.
    Nearly $3 billion for climate change technology research, development, and deployment.
    Over $200 million for foreign aid programs that contribute climate change benefits.
    Almost $700 million for renewable energy and energy efficiency through tax incentives
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

  • #2
    The USA is doing more to combat climate change then most european countries, and Bush isn't even trying ahahahaha. 5.8billion dollrs of funding is more money then europe has contributed to global warming in the last decade and a half. Besides, Kyoto was doomed to fail when developing countries like China, India, Indonesia, and Mexico were exempt (aka 40% of the world). Kyoto's message: "Grow into a developed country with filthy energy creation and when your developed then we will make you change everything your doing and become energy compliant". Makes no sense whatsoever. Kyoto is only an issue because Europe cant stand to see something they created fail.
    Warpox exposes himself | Editorial 1 4 | 2Pox

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    • #3
      I hate to tell you guys this but Kyoto does not just focus on methane emission, but also carbon dioxide a far more dangerous chemical to the environment. And one CANADA is most interested in targeting. Not methane. Its good to see the Bush administration is doing at least a little bit to help the environment but he is by no mean a preasident that is pro environment. We could sit here all day and discuss all the bullshit the administraion is pulling in Alaska, and showing no interest in finding alternative sources of fuel for cars.
      One convienient location...... somewhere in Africa.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gdillinjah
        I hate to tell you guys this but Kyoto does not just focus on methane emission, but also carbon dioxide a far more dangerous chemical to the environment. And one CANADA is most interested in targeting. Not methane. Its good to see the Bush administration is doing at least a little bit to help the environment but he is by no mean a preasident that is pro environment. We could sit here all day and discuss all the bullshit the administraion is pulling in Alaska, and showing no interest in finding alternative sources of fuel for cars.
        True there is more carbon dioxide in the air, but kilo for kilo methane is 23 times better at trapping heat in the atmoshpere then CO2.
        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

        “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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        • #5
          ^maybe they should outlaw farting in the US then, maybe that would help global warming
          Be Humble or Get Humbled

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Angelus911
            ^maybe they should outlaw farting in the US then, maybe that would help global warming
            Wow, that was a good one, what are you, in pre-school?
            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

            “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Triumph
              True there is more carbon dioxide in the air, but kilo for kilo methane is 23 times better at trapping heat in the atmoshpere then CO2.
              The big issue about Kyoto is stopping things like acid rain, and asthsma in children. These are CO2 issues. Not to mention its greenhouse capabilities. Believe it or not, in North America the largest polluter of methane gas comes from cattle. So the farts joke was pretty much on the money. How do you get rid of the cattle in America? Ship them to Canada or Mexico. America's methane issue will be solved right there.
              One convienient location...... somewhere in Africa.

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              • #8
                Believe it or not, in North America the largest polluter of methane gas comes from cattle.
                Are you forgetting a source?

                Once again, read the informative source Triumph posted

                The Partnership has the potential to deliver by 2015 annual reductions in methane emissions of up to 50 million metric tons of carbon equivalent (MMTCE) or recovery of 500 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas. These measurable results, if achieved, could lead to stabilized or even declining levels of global atmospheric concentrations of methane. To give a sense of scale, this would be equivalent to:

                Removing 33 million cars from the roadways for one year, planting 55 million acres of trees, or eliminating emissions from fifty 500 megawatt coal-fired power plants; or
                Providing enough energy to heat approximately 7.2 million households for one year
                You cant debate those statistics by coming back with a lame comment like "believe it or not, most of your methane comes from cattle".
                Warpox exposes himself | Editorial 1 4 | 2Pox

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                • #9
                  Actually, believe it or not, the biggest producer of methane gases in the United States is from land fills. Read the info on the site.

                  4. Which countries are the biggest methane emitters?
                  Globally, China, Russia (and other Eurasian countries), India, the United States, and Brazil are estimated to be responsible for almost half of all anthropogenic methane emissions. The key methane emission sources for these countries vary greatly. For example, a key source of methane emissions in China is coal production, whereas Russia emits most of its methane from natural gas and oil systems. Landfills are the largest source of U.S. methane emissions.
                  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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                  • #10
                    Don't forget methane, climate experts say
                    Landfills are a major source of man-made methane, a significant greenhouse gas.
                    Landfills are a major source of man-made methane, a significant greenhouse gas.
                    ENN



                    November 10, 1999
                    Web posted at: 11:41 a.m. EST (1641 GMT)

                    The inclusion of methane, the primary component in natural gas, in emission strategies is key to curbing global warming, according to a team of atmospheric scientists, economists and emissions experts. The scientists found that by including methane in abatement strategies, the costs of meeting United States emission-reduction targets could be lowered.

                    "In our study, we assessed the potential cost savings of introducing an additional greenhouse gas, methane, into a carbon dioxide emission-reduction strategy," said Katharine Hayhoe, a researcher in atmospheric sciences at the University of Illinois and the lead author of a report published in the Oct. 29 issue of the journal Science. "We estimate that for short-term targets, methane can offset carbon dioxide reductions and reduce U.S. abatement costs by more than 25 percent compared to strategies involving carbon dioxide alone."

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                    Because methane remains in the atmosphere about 12 years, a short time compared to other greenhouse gases, concentrations will respond quickly to emission reductions, producing an immediate and significant impact on climate change, said Atul Jain, a University of Illinois atmospheric scientist. It takes carbon dioxide, the top human-caused greenhouse gas, anywhere from 50 to 200 years to disappear from the atmosphere.

                    "Methane is the second-most important greenhouse gas. Together, methane and other non-carbon dioxide gases are currently responsible for about 40 percent of the global warming problem," said Don Wuebbles, a University of Illinois professor of atmospheric sciences. "However, reducing carbon dioxide emissions is still the primary means of achieving significant long-term mitigation of climate change."

                    Over the last two centuries, methane concentrations in the atmosphere have more than doubled, largely due to human-related activities, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

                    World leaders established the Kyoto Protocol in 1997 to create standards to stabilize six greenhouse gases in order to lessen global climate warming. Members of the industrialized world committed to improving emissions based on a five-year budget period from 2008 to 2012. The targets cover emissions from carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulfur hexafluoride.

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                    Cattle and other livestock contribute significantly to methane emissions.

                    The United States has not agreed to the terms of the protocol. However, using the latest carbon dioxide and methane abatement costs for the United States, the scientists showed that a control strategy for both methane and carbon dioxide could meet the protocol's target and timetable at a lower overall cost when compared with previous estimates that account for carbon dioxide only.

                    Cost is based on the amount of 1992 dollars needed to achieve emission reductions through implementing various technological options, said Hayhoe.

                    Methane is naturally occurring, but human-related activities such as fossil fuel production, animal husbandry (digestive processes of ruminant livestock and manure), rice cultivation, biomass burning and waste management release significant quantities of methane into the atmosphere. Methane's natural sources include wetlands, natural gas and permafrost.

                    Landfills, coal mining, livestock, manure and the production and transmission of natural gas are the five major sources of human-produced methane in the United States. A significant amount of these emissions can be reduced by applying available and economically worthwhile options such as capturing the methane and recovering the cost of the emission-reduction technology by selling the gas or using it to substitute for other energy inputs, according to the scientists.

                    "Methane is produced by several sources where gas can be contained and measures can be taken to prevent it from being released to the atmosphere," said Hayhoe. "For example, cattle manure can be collected and placed in a (closed) digestor. As anaerobic decay occurs, methane is produced. This methane can be removed from the digestor and used to generate electricity."

                    By capturing methane lost during normal operations, companies can benefit by using this fuel source onsite, selling it to utilities, or selling it directly to end users while benefiting the environment. Many U.S. industries are participating in voluntary programs with the EPA to target methane emissions.

                    Collaborators on the study included Hugh Pitcher and Chris MacCracken of the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Reid Harvey and Dina Kruger of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and Michael Gibbs of the ICF Kaiser Consulting Group.

                    Copyright 1999, Environmental News Network, All Rights Reserved
                    Perhaps this will shed light on the subject a little more. But The article you are quoting is just strangely written. i.e.

                    The Partnership has the potential to deliver by 2015 annual reductions in methane emissions of up to 50 million metric tons of carbon equivalent (MMTCE) or recovery of 500 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas. These measurable results, if achieved, could lead to stabilized or even declining levels of global atmospheric concentrations of methane. To give a sense of scale, this would be equivalent to:

                    Removing 33 million cars from the roadways for one year, planting 55 million acres of trees, or eliminating emissions from fifty 500 megawatt coal-fired power plants; or
                    Providing enough energy to heat approximately 7.2 million households for one year
                    THIS IS STATING A CARBON EQUIVALENT! But Triumph is the number one polluter of methane is landfills. But agriculture is not far behind. And in all respects its all shit and bio material decompostion causing the problem.
                    One convienient location...... somewhere in Africa.

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