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  • NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the Century

    Very good site:

    http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/


    Building 7(which collapsed):


    Windsor Building (which didn't collapse):












    Let's not forget that Windsor is an older building, with less thick steel beams, and it burned for 48 hours. Hmm...


    Building 7 is special, ain't it.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 08-24-2005, 11:42 PM.

  • #2
    Very hot...


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    • #3
      Clearly you want me to respond to this. Tell me WHAT specifically about 9/11 you dispute. Do you dispute Al Queda's involvment, do you think bombs brought down the towers, please lay it out. in this format...

      1) something about WTC 7

      2)something about Norad

      ect... Please, lay it out and I will respond to each one. Because its hard to respond to a bunch of general statements. I have already COMPLETLY debunked your steel melting and Larry Silverstien comments in your other thread. You can list those if you want again though. Please, lay it out, in numerical order of which points about 9/11 you are challenging.

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      • #4
        "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

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        • #5
          LMAO @ you 'debunking' ANYTHING.

          1) Look at those pictures and tell me how it's possible for a an overengineered building like WTC 7 to collapse due to a few fires without referring to a government agency report.

          2) How do you explain FBI's investigations on Al Qaeda being stopped prior to 9/11?
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...293682,00.html

          3) Don't you think it's a little suspicious that the FBI agent who blew the whistle (John O'Neill) and resigned because of these complications was KILLED on 9/11 in WTC on his first day on the job?

          http://www.mindspace.org/liberation-...ce/heroes.html
          http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

          4) If that Bin Laden video is your proof that he was responsible for 9.11 -- How do you explain these inaccuracies? First of all -- he looks nothing like Bin Laden.... second, he's wearing a gold ring and a watch which is strictly forbidden by the Islamic law... he's also writing a note with his right hand while the FBI's website(http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.pdf) says he's left-handed. third -- WHY IS HE PRAISING LIVE 'HIJACKERS' Satam M.A. Al Suqami and Wail M. Alshehri?

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

          5) Just explain me to how these 'hijackers' (at least 7 of them) are alive. Did they parachute off the plane?

          6) How do you explain the WTC architect and the people who underwrote the towers saying that the buildings could take multiple airplane strikes and NOT collapse?

          Here's a video: http://freepressinternational.com/wtc_manager.wmv

          6) Why were the 9/11 air traffic controller tapes destroyed?
          http://news.neilrogers.com/news/arti...004061917.html


          7) Why did NORAD stand down despite the FACT that they were prepared for a such an attack because they had drills TWO years before 9/11 surrounding a plane crashing into the WTC???


          NORAD had drills eerily like Sept. 11 two years before 9/11 (USA Today)


          8) How did the towers collapse in perfect nearly free-fall rapidity?

          9) How were there people in the impact holes when the temperaturues were to be raging up to 1500 degrees?

          10) How do you explain the explosions in the basement? ...by calling the last survivor from the WTC (William Rodriguez) a conspiracy theorist?
          http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles...8131/28031.htm

          11) What about this memorandum taking the power away from the generals prior to 9/11?
          http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjc...i/3610_01a.pdf

          12) Why were the bomb-sniffing dogs removed from the towers prior to 9/11?


          these are just a FEW questions...




          oh and by the way.... I just mentioned that steel melts at 2800 degrees because you said this:

          Originally posted by StereoType
          Fire Fighters did not even attempt to put-out the fire in WTC 7. It burned for 7 hours, which caused the steel to twist and melt
          I wonder how you debunked what I said by proving what I said was true... you only deemed your self ignorant and debunked your OWN claims by posting the quotes from popularmechanics.com

          lmao.
          Last edited by Cryptic; 08-24-2005, 11:56 PM.

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          • #6
            lol amazing.

            I can't believe people still actually believe that WTC7 fell because of an office fire.
            "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."
            - Kurt Vonnegut

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            • #7
              1) In the case of the North and South towers of the World Trade Center, plane debris went through utility shafts, causing a source for burning fuel and spread fire all over the buildings. Burning Fuel went down through the elevators and would spread fire into the lobby's. It is documented, from eye-witness accounts of people who escaped, that people were in elevators that were complete engulfed in flames.

              2) Your buddy Richard Clarke was Terror Czar. Ask him. He was the highest authority figure to authorize the Bin Ladens to fly back to Saudi Arabia. I don't know why they were not investigated prior to 9/11, there were many mistakes made in both the Clinton and Bush Administrations prior to 9/11.

              3) He retired from the FBI when a security position opened up at the World Trade Center. He was having conflict with the US Ambassador to Yemen while he investigated the 2000 USS Cole bombing. While he had some disagreements with a few members in the FBI, he was not fired.

              4) We used many intelligence sources in discovering Bin Laden and his Al-Queda network were behind the attacks of September 11. We have testimony from Al-Queda prisoners captured in Afghanistan that the group was behind the attacks. We looked at the history of the 19 Hijackers, and them to be loyal to Osama Bin Laden. We already knew Al-Queda was behind the attacks before Bin Laden publicly confirmed it a year later.

              5) All 19 are dead. None are alive.

              6 a) They were wrong. You have seen the tapes, two airplanes flew into the towers which caused them to collapse. You have video footage right in front of you.

              6 b) from your own article...

              "The report concluded that there was ``some measure of consistency'' between witness statements later taken from the controllers and what was recorded on the tape. That conclusion was based on interviews with the six controllers and all 10 witnesses to the taping, and on sketchy notes taken during the tape recording. Also retained were radar data and recordings of radio transmissions from the cockpit."

              7) "On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

              Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking ******d for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."

              http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=3&c=y

              8) The towers collapsed by pan caking downwards. Once level collapsed, it fell on to the next, which fell onto the next with more force, which fell onto the next with even more force. It was not like the towers tipped over, they could not tip over because they were not struck at the base. They began collapsing when the floor level gave in, which caused a chain-reaction and all the floors collapsed in.

              9) The planes entered deep into the towers. And with a bunch of people inside the World Trade Center, a small number survived the initial impact and managed to reach the entrance points of the plane. What are you trying to claim here, that Jet fuel does not burn at 1000+ degree's?

              10) Eye-witness testimony from people who escaped the North Tower admit that elevators came shooting down to the bottom floor while on fire. Their is video footage of this. The "explosions" he heard where in-fact elevators flying down to the bottom floor, and causing a massive burst of fire when hitting the bottom.

              11) The link does not work for me, please explain further.

              12) This claim actually debunks your whole argument that bombs were in the World Trade Center. In recent days before 9/11, bomb threats were called in (it happens all the time). Bomb-sniffing dogs searched the whole place, and found nothing. If the government planted bombs inside the WTC, the dogs would have found them. It was not routine for dogs to check the place, only when bomb-threats or other activity leads them to believe bombs are in the building. If WTC was wired with explosives, how did the dogs not find them?


              And when you logically break it down, your whole argument really makes no sense. How would the government plant bombs in the WTC with nobody noticing? They have 24/7 Security camera's and people going in-and-out all the time. Not one person saw the government rigging it with explosives? Also, why would the government plant explosives at the WTC but not in Iraq. If the government planted WMD's in Iraq, there would not be the huge anti-war outcry that exists today. Your whole argument is very flawed.

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              • #8
                about building 7, and whatever other buildings collapsed, Ive been talking to some people who haev a little knowledge in this type of thing and they tell me for sure the buildings were demolished, but the thing is they dont see it as a conspiracy. Ive been told that its normal for buildings like this to be ready full of explosives for a bunch of reasons, one being if theres a fire that it doesnt get to the point where the steel is starting to melt, cuz if the steel melts the building will fall over sideways and cause a lot more damage. So I could see that making sense, cuz that would also explain that one guy saying they pulled building 7. Who knows tho, it could be any number of things, but I dont think the official story is the right one, but hey I guess it could be.

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                • #9
                  Your comparing apples to oranges, you can't say that just because this building didn't collapse, it means that its impossible for this other one too, its just not plausible.
                  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by StereoType
                    1) In the case of the North and South towers of the World Trade Center, plane debris went through utility shafts, causing a source for burning fuel and spread fire all over the buildings. Burning Fuel went down through the elevators and would spread fire into the lobby's. It is documented, from eye-witness accounts of people who escaped, that people were in elevators that were complete engulfed in flames.

                    2) Your buddy Richard Clarke was Terror Czar. Ask him. He was the highest authority figure to authorize the Bin Ladens to fly back to Saudi Arabia. I don't know why they were not investigated prior to 9/11, there were many mistakes made in both the Clinton and Bush Administrations prior to 9/11.

                    3) He retired from the FBI when a security position opened up at the World Trade Center. He was having conflict with the US Ambassador to Yemen while he investigated the 2000 USS Cole bombing. While he had some disagreements with a few members in the FBI, he was not fired.

                    4) We used many intelligence sources in discovering Bin Laden and his Al-Queda network were behind the attacks of September 11. We have testimony from Al-Queda prisoners captured in Afghanistan that the group was behind the attacks. We looked at the history of the 19 Hijackers, and them to be loyal to Osama Bin Laden. We already knew Al-Queda was behind the attacks before Bin Laden publicly confirmed it a year later.

                    5) All 19 are dead. None are alive.

                    6 a) They were wrong. You have seen the tapes, two airplanes flew into the towers which caused them to collapse. You have video footage right in front of you.

                    6 b) from your own article...

                    "The report concluded that there was ``some measure of consistency'' between witness statements later taken from the controllers and what was recorded on the tape. That conclusion was based on interviews with the six controllers and all 10 witnesses to the taping, and on sketchy notes taken during the tape recording. Also retained were radar data and recordings of radio transmissions from the cockpit."

                    7) "On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

                    Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking ******d for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."

                    http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=3&c=y

                    8) The towers collapsed by pan caking downwards. Once level collapsed, it fell on to the next, which fell onto the next with more force, which fell onto the next with even more force. It was not like the towers tipped over, they could not tip over because they were not struck at the base. They began collapsing when the floor level gave in, which caused a chain-reaction and all the floors collapsed in.

                    9) The planes entered deep into the towers. And with a bunch of people inside the World Trade Center, a small number survived the initial impact and managed to reach the entrance points of the plane. What are you trying to claim here, that Jet fuel does not burn at 1000+ degree's?

                    10) Eye-witness testimony from people who escaped the North Tower admit that elevators came shooting down to the bottom floor while on fire. Their is video footage of this. The "explosions" he heard where in-fact elevators flying down to the bottom floor, and causing a massive burst of fire when hitting the bottom.

                    11) The link does not work for me, please explain further.

                    12) This claim actually debunks your whole argument that bombs were in the World Trade Center. In recent days before 9/11, bomb threats were called in (it happens all the time). Bomb-sniffing dogs searched the whole place, and found nothing. If the government planted bombs inside the WTC, the dogs would have found them. It was not routine for dogs to check the place, only when bomb-threats or other activity leads them to believe bombs are in the building. If WTC was wired with explosives, how did the dogs not find them?


                    And when you logically break it down, your whole argument really makes no sense. How would the government plant bombs in the WTC with nobody noticing? They have 24/7 Security camera's and people going in-and-out all the time. Not one person saw the government rigging it with explosives? Also, why would the government plant explosives at the WTC but not in Iraq. If the government planted WMD's in Iraq, there would not be the huge anti-war outcry that exists today. Your whole argument is very flawed.
                    1) Didnt really answer the question.
                    2) Again didnt answer the question.
                    3) Ok. finally a some what real answer.
                    4) Didnt answer question again.
                    5)Last time i heard some are a live as can be.
                    6)a) Yeah we saw the tapes of the planes flying into the buildings, but we didnt see the tapes of the explosives within the buildings.
                    b)Didnt answer question.
                    7)Usually if a plane gos of route just for a little while with no kind of explanation NORAD is on top of it, except on Sep 11??? Y????
                    8)Only buildings domislished on purpose would fall like this. Look up the facts. Watch a video of a building being demolished and watch the towers fall, Hmma kind of looks the same dont it??
                    9) No what he is saying is if it was hot enough for steel to melt how the fuck did they survive.
                    10)Ok. You got that one.
                    11)No Answer.
                    12)Oh yeah like the Government could have people working in there. How many people do you think are there at night?? Some security guards that could easily be government fucks.

                    And why did firemen report secondary explosions, and that the fires were almost out.

                    Watch "Martial Law 9/11: Rise of The Police State" and then come back and talk too us.
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                    • #11
                      1) I'm talking about Building 7... if you believe the fire and the debris from the WTC (despite the fact that WTC 7 wasn't even in the debri field) was the cause of it's collapse you must also believe that they found a paper passport of a hijacker next to ground zero. Bankers Trust which was right NEXT to the North Tower had most of the debris fall onto it and fires raged in its floors... did it collapse? Windsor building burned for 48 hours with temperatures much hotter than that of Building 7 with flames shooting up into the sky, not to mention Windsor is an older building, with less thick steel beams and it didn't collapse... yet Building 7 can collapse due to a few fires?

                      2) How is it a mistake when a bill is signed (w199-eye) to stop the investigation? FBI agents were even threatened with arrest.

                      The US Treasury has not frozen WAMY's assets, and when we talked to them, they insisted they are a charity. Yet, just weeks ago, Pakistan expelled WAMY operatives. And India claimed that WAMY was funding an organisation linked to bombings in Kashmir. And the Philippines military has accused WAMY of funding Muslim insurgency. The FBI did look into WAMY, but, for some reason, agents were pulled off the trail.

                      TRENTO:
                      The FBI wanted to investigate these guys. This is not something that they didn't want to do - they wanted to, they weren't permitted to.

                      MICHAEL SPRINGMAN: In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants.


                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm

                      Oh yes it was just a mistake...

                      3) Who said he was fired? All I said was that he resigned from the FBI due to the complications and was hired as a security chief in the World Trade Center and died his first day on the job.

                      A Seattle woman who was a close informant of former FBI agent and Al Qaeda hunter John O'Neill during the crucial months prior to the 9/11, said they both provided vital information in an attempt to stop the attack but were blocked by officials in the New York and Washington bureaus every step of the way.

                      "You have to understand that John and I had known each other for a long time. We shared a lot of information, not only about Shadrack, Al Qaeda and what turned out to be 9/11, but also about the Boston FBI scandal which I was involved in, when various FBI agents were jailed for corruption and about 19 informants like myself were brutally murdered," said Parker, adding O'Neill protected her identity in that case and probably saved her life, allowing her to run for her life and start over again in Seattle. "I remember once when my foster daughter was visiting, I think in February, 2001, I overheard talk about airplanes and the World Trade Center.

                      "But concerning John, he was ambitious and maybe that was his downfall, but he was also skilled, talented and completely dedicated to stopping terrorism. He did pressure me over the years and put me in difficult spots, but I would fight back at times, reminding him I was only a volunteer.

                      Parker also sadly recalls during the crucial months before 9/11, O'Neill telling her that "someone higher-up" had blocked attempts to wire tap Shadrack, refused to let him return to Yemen, mysteriously deleted all his files at FBI New York headquarters and then finally relegated him to a desk job, far away from the front lines of terrorism.


                      http://www.rense.com/general67/close.htm

                      Tell me that he WASN'T put in harms way with the intent... it was just a weird coincidence right?


                      4) Well I just proved that the 'Bin Laden confession' video is fake... so what makes you believe these FBI sources and White House sources are telling the truth?

                      "I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people."
                      -Osama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine on September 28th, 2001

                      5) All 19 'hijackers' are dead? Than you're ignorant. Go here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

                      6) So you're saying the people who underwrote the towers and expert engineers along with the oldest firefighter magazine publication is wrong and some government agency report is right? Didn't the Warren Commission try to prove that a single shot caused 5 different wounds during the JFK assassination? haha..

                      And yeah no shit planes flew into the towers.... what makes you think they caused them to collapse though? Some report with a vague theory about the effects of the crashes and the presumption that "collapse initiation" automatically lead to "global collapse"? Must have been the rapid spread of "column instability" in perimeter columns straining the core columns and the TREMENDOUS ENERGY of the floors above the collapse zone which led to the "global collapse"!

                      Here's a letter from Kevin Ryan challenging NIST report:

                      A Letter to NIST by Kevin Ryan

                      Thursday, Nov 11, 2004

                      Dr. Gayle,

                      Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.

                      As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.

                      There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory."

                      We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

                      The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

                      However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

                      This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.

                      There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and “chatter”.

                      Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

                      1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archiv...coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3Mechani...ysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTC...L101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf

                      Kevin Ryan

                      Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories

                      6b) Air traffic controllers who handled two of the hijacked flights on Sept. 11, 2001, recorded their experiences shortly after the planes crashed into the World Trade Center but a supervisor destroyed the tape, government investigators said Thursday.

                      Doesn't change that fact.

                      7) LOL... NORAD has to be ALERTED when a plane is hijacked? I will get to this later, there is way TOO MUCH information. You know I find it quite funny how Payne Stewart's plane was surrounded with jets within minutes after his plane went off course in 1999.

                      8) LOL @ the pan cake theory.
                      http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/

                      9)
                      No what he is saying is if it was hot enough for steel to melt how the fuck did they survive.
                      10)Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

                      11) Download Acrobat Reader and it will work.

                      12) Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

                      http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/...,6794009.story

                      And not to mention Marvin Bush (president's brother) was running security for the whole complex and his two year contract ended on 9/11.

                      http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_...s/10292-1.html

                      Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.
                      Last edited by Cryptic; 08-25-2005, 10:31 PM.

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                      • #12
                        nothing to say?

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                        • #13
                          I have said my piece. No use going back and forth all day long. Professional Commissions have investigated everything stated by you and the 9/11 Conspericy sites and they all have been proven wrong. How much education does a webmaster at letsroll.com have compared to the people in the 9/11 Commission and in the NIST?

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                          • #14
                            LOL @ you saying your piece without answering one question. 'Professional Commissions' appointed by the government also 'investigated' the JFK assassination and concluded that a single shot caused FIVE different wounds and had idiots like you convinced.

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                            • #15
                              When did I say always trust the government 100% of the time. Clearly, other factors were involved in JFK's assassination. But when you disagree with experts in all different fields of steel and construction you look like an idiot. The webmasters of these conspiracy web sites have had less education and field-work than the professionals (both with the Government and outside of it) who investigated this terrorist attack many times over. If you look at Watergate, Iran-Contra, Whitewater, and Iraqi WMD the official government investigations do criticize government officials for messing up.

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