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  • gdillinjah
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    Originally posted by SlimCorn82
    /\ Nice read

    Also read this if you think BLANCO did everything in her power to help those poor people! I guess delaying the arrival of the red cross is a noble cause and really benfit the victims!

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...7/235423.shtml

    Umm a Governor does not trump a president, if Bush ewanted the aid to get there, the aid would of got there, whether it was within 24 hours or not is an issue totally up to the president. Your smoke scren is'nt a viable argument. At the end of the day its Bush's fault and if he wanted to avoid the shit storm he would have played a more active role immediately rather than staying on vacation for a few more days....

    Originally posted by SlimCorn
    Which is pretty much why I post a poll done by a usually biased organization! Wow, you are a quick one huh...
    And by that you mean what swifty>>>>? That its biased when it questions the administration which according to you is most of the time, but when they post garbage polls (probably the most useless thing ANY real news outlet could do), all of a sudden one of those rare times they are right emerge? Gawd I hate Hippies.

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  • SlimCorn82
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    Originally posted by gdillinjah
    Are'nt you the same guy that fought tooth and nail about how CNN was a biased and corrupt news agency??? WTF is all this about now? Change of heart when it suits your argument apparently....

    Which is pretty much why I post a poll done by a usually biased organization! Wow, you are a quick one huh...

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  • SlimCorn82
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    /\ Nice read

    Also read this if you think BLANCO did everything in her power to help those poor people! I guess delaying the arrival of the red cross is a noble cause and really benfit the victims!

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...7/235423.shtml

    Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005 11:52 p.m. EDT
    Gov. Kathleen Blanco's Bureaucrats Blocked Food and Water

    The Red Cross was reportedly ready to deliver food, water and other supplies to flood-ravaged refugees who were sweltering inside New Orleans' Superdome last week - but the relief was blocked by bureaucrats who worked for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco.

    Fox News Channel's Major Garrett reported Wednesday that the Red Cross had "trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go ... to the Superdome and Convention Center."

    But the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, Garrett said, "told them they could not go."
    "The Red Cross tells me that Louisiana's Department of Homeland Security said, 'Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or Convention Center, we want to get them out,'" he explained.

    "So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water, the Red Cross was standing by ready [and] the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go."

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  • Rainstorm
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    Finally, the truth is STARTING to come out:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10182.htm

    The Siege of New Orleans

    "We have been abandoned by our own country.Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial." Aaron Broussard

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". George Orwell

    by Mike Whitney

    09/08/05 "ICH" -- -- Neither the Mainstream media nor the alternative-Leftist web sites have told the true story of what really happened in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. For the people of the region it was the greatest natural catastrophe they'd ever faced. For the Bush administration it was just another opportunity to use fear and anarchy to advance their global agenda.

    The administration intentionally withheld desperately needed aid to the city to force Governor Kathleen Blanco into surrendering control of the National Guard and local police to federal authority. This explains why neither FEMA, nor Homeland Security nor the Pentagon lifted a finger to help the distraught townspeople for 4 full days. The administration was using vital supplies as bargaining chips to bribe the governor into submission. The goal was to dismantle regional defenses and militarize a major port city; an ambition that persists to this day.

    The Katrina disaster provided the cover for the Pentagon to launch military operations against US citizens for the first time in modern history. Their effort was badly bungled, but the attempt is chilling nonetheless.

    The strategy that was applied to New Orleans has been used across the nation, although to a lesser degree. Rumsfeld has consistently tried to undermine local preparedness and state control so that he can insert the military into domestic affairs. Within this schema, we can see how the calculated destruction of the National Guard (40% of who are overseas) works perfectly with the goals of the defense establishment and the corporate oligarchy it represents.

    In the next few days we can expect to see an intensive media campaign to divert attention from the activities of the Pentagon, but the facts are clear. As Mr. Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parrish, LA said on Meet the Press:

    "We had Wal-mart deliver three trucks of water. Trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back, said we didn't need them. This was a week go. We had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a coast guard vessel docked in my parish. The coast guard said come get the fuel right way. When we got there with our trucks, they got a word, FEMA says don't give you the fuel. Yesterday, yesterday, FEMA comes in and cuts all our emergency communications lines. They cut them without notice."

    FEMA, which is supposed to work as a federal relief agency for major natural disasters, was functioning entirely as an intermediary for the Defense Dept to subvert relief efforts to force the Governor to capitulate. It is as close to a military-coup as we have ever seen in America.

    The stories of how FEMA tried to sabotage aid and communications are too numerous to record here, but they will undoubtedly surface over time on the internet. The fact is, however, that FEMA was simply executing a larger plan to undermine operations and pave the way for a military take-over of all relief-related activities. That would serve as a tacit invitation for the first military occupation of an American city.

    (Disrupting communications from the city was a major part of the operation. This explains why FEMA "cut all the communication lines" as Broussard notes above. The Pentagon clearly planned to draw a protective curtain around New Orleans so that it could execute their strategy without media scrutiny. I believe that they intended to forcefully evacuate the city to clear away vast swaths of the area earmarked for future private development without local resistance.)

    The media analysis of the events following the hurricane has been superficial and diversionary. The emphasis on looting is a particularly heinous "racist" invention of the Bush administration to shift blame away from their criminal behavior. Even well-meaning liberal pundits and journalists, who have lambasted the administration for "lacking leadership" or for their ham-fisted methods of addressing the tragedy, are missing the point. New Orleans was the site of a massive military operation designed to seize and pacify a major port city in the American heartland. The people, who died waiting for federal assistance while the Governor jousted with the administration, are the casualties in the Pentagon's plan.

    The Red Cross has already admitted that they were deliberately prevented from going into the city where they could have attended to the sick and hungry. So, too, the National Guard was ordered not to give the people food or water. One Guardsman who appeared on national TV admitted to giving water to an elderly woman who refused to evacuate her home said on camera, "It's against the rules, but I gave her water".

    FEMA deliberately withheld water to the people at the convention center because (and I paraphrase the head of the Red Cross) "If we give them water they won't leave."

    (A note on FEMA: FEMA has been effectively gutted and has neither the ability nor the resources to address major natural catastrophes. It has been subsumed into a bureaucracy that has no intention of saving American lives or property when disaster strikes. The money has been sluiced off into other areas of Homeland Security where it is used to spy on American citizens or pay-off the constituents of the administration. This explains why Bush put an incompetent bungler like Michael Brown in charge. He has no real power. The real authority over disaster-management now falls under the Defense Dept.)

    The orders from Washington (which were articulated on many of the major TV news feeds) were to "Empty the city, Cut off communications between the citizenry, and Protect private property." Much of this has already been confirmed in the Broussard statement.

    The zeal with which the Defense Dept approached the siege of New Orleans is impressive. Journalist Wayne Madsen reports that the military was involved in jamming New Orleans's communications. "The emitter is an IF
    (Intermediate Frequency) jammer that is operating south-southwest of New Orleans on board a US Navy ship, according to an anonymous source. The jamming is cross-spectrum and interfering with supereterodyne receiver components, including the emergency radios being used in New Orleans relief efforts."

    Madsen's report coincides with another report from Democracy Now's Sharif Abdel Kouddous in New Orleans:

    "Well Amy, Saturday and Sunday, there was a large number of troops here: Marines, U.S. Coast Guard, National Guard, there's hummers everywhere, everyone is armed with assault rifles. And I think that what many people don't realize is that New Orleans has really become a militarized zone. I think this is the fault and the major error that has occurred with many of the relief operations here is that they weren't relief operations. They were militarized -- you know, there's a curfew set at 6:00 p.m. in New Orleans and especially in the poorer neighborhoods. If you walked out after 6:00 p.m., you would get shot."

    Kouddous report provides an alarming insight into the reality of the New Orleans siege. The operation currently taking place is only slightly different from similar maneuvers in Baghdad or Kabul; the fundamental principles are the same. If we were to see some indication of coordinated resistance, like an armed uprising of New Orleans drug addicts firing on troops, the situation would quickly degenerate into a Falluja-type scenario, with Rumsfeld closing down the entire region to the media and devastating vast swaths of the city to crush the "indigenous terrorists".

    There's nothing accidental about the current developments on the ground.

    The orders are clear: "Empty the city, Cut off communications between the citizenry, and Protect private property." The result is a massive ethnic cleansing operation that will displace tens of thousands of poor, black residents and pave the way for Halliburton and other major Bush contributors to rebuild the city at taxpayer expense. This is the clearest illustration of class-based warfare we have seen to date, but we expect more will follow.

    The Bush administration has established its first domestic beachhead in the "Big Easy", where 50,000 fully-armed troops now patrol the streets giving us our first unobstructed-view of New World Order.

    Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at: [email protected]

    Copyright: Mike Whitney. All rights reserved

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  • NyTe^CRaWLeR
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    Originally posted by SlimCorn82
    POLL: who is to blame for the problems in the city following the hurricane? --
    13 percent said Bush
    18 percent said federal agencies
    25 percent blamed state or local officials
    38 percent said no one is to blame
    63 percent said they do not believe anyone at federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired as a result.


    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/07/katrina.poll/index.html

    do any of those being polled know the whole story? or are do they still think gay marriage and abortion is still the biggest issues of the world? i bet if everyone knew this...
    http://www.d12world.com/board/showthread.php?t=245161

    you think they would still be that naive and gullible and expressed those same opinions outlined in that poll?





    i think not.....

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  • gdillinjah
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    Originally posted by SlimCorn82
    POLL: who is to blame for the problems in the city following the hurricane? --
    13 percent said Bush
    18 percent said federal agencies
    25 percent blamed state or local officials
    38 percent said no one is to blame
    63 percent said they do not believe anyone at federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired as a result.


    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/07/kat...oll/index.html

    Are'nt you the same guy that fought tooth and nail about how CNN was a biased and corrupt news agency??? WTF is all this about now? Change of heart when it suits your argument apparently....

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  • gdillinjah
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    Originally posted by RunDatShiet
    How can a mayor of a city blame a president of a country for his cities unpreparedness?. The mayor is obviously to blame in this, But since hes black you won't see much of that. He could of used hundreds of buses to get people out of the city, But instead their wasted in 8 feet high water right now. That guy needs to be fired.

    how can a mayor be blamed for cutting federal funding for levee restoration and water pumps for the city? how can the mayor be blamed for the slow mobilization of the armed forces? how can the Mayor be blamed for POLICE OFFICERS LEAVING THE JOB TO FEND FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GULL TO BLAME THE MAYOR FOR NOT MOBIZING PETTY SCOOL BUS DRIVERS TO DEFEND A CITY WORTH OF PEOPLE FROM THE NATIONS WORST KIND OF NATURAL DISASTER???? You live in a world of fiction, and are quickly proving yourself to be opne of the dumbest people ever in the face of reality. You make ZERO sense, just read what you type and think about it before you submit your 2 cents. Cuz your making yourself look really stupid right now with responses like that.

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  • Bely
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    Originally posted by gdillinjah
    You must be really fucked up to think the way you do. The MAYOR HAS NO ASBILITY TO ENACT FEDERAL AGENCIES or MOBILIZE MILITARY UNITS! This was the failing of the Bush administration in its fullest form. Bush cut pump funding and levee restoration. Bush was the one who stayed on vacation after America's largest natural disaster hit. Bush was the one who fired the FEMA director. These are the failings of the situation, and they all fall squarely on president Bush's shoulders. Bush has the ability to override Mayoral decisions, bush has the power to override the decisions of a senator. If he was not wiling to take charge, he proves himself useless as a president. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS FUCKED UP, so you dont sound like a complete lunatic with no grasp on reality. Only a fucking fool would pretend that New Orleans is the only issue with this debachle of a humanitarian mission. The entire situation was needless, and incompotent. There is no excuse that can get Bush out of this hot water, and no amount of buck passing will excuse the action of this president, or his family members for that matter.


    of course it's bushs fault! after all it was he who gave the top 3 positions of FEMA to his college buddies and plz note that those college buddies didn't have any experience in this. Also note that the money that was supposed to be spend for the levees was spent on Iraq.

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  • gdillinjah
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    Originally posted by RunDatShiet
    How can a mayor of a city blame a president of a country for his cities unpreparedness?. The mayor is obviously to blame in this, But since hes black you won't see much of that. He could of used hundreds of buses to get people out of the city, But instead their wasted in 8 feet high water right now. That guy needs to be fired.

    You must be really fucked up to think the way you do. The MAYOR HAS NO ASBILITY TO ENACT FEDERAL AGENCIES or MOBILIZE MILITARY UNITS! This was the failing of the Bush administration in its fullest form. Bush cut pump funding and levee restoration. Bush was the one who stayed on vacation after America's largest natural disaster hit. Bush was the one who fired the FEMA director. These are the failings of the situation, and they all fall squarely on president Bush's shoulders. Bush has the ability to override Mayoral decisions, bush has the power to override the decisions of a senator. If he was not wiling to take charge, he proves himself useless as a president. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS FUCKED UP, so you dont sound like a complete lunatic with no grasp on reality. Only a fucking fool would pretend that New Orleans is the only issue with this debachle of a humanitarian mission. The entire situation was needless, and incompotent. There is no excuse that can get Bush out of this hot water, and no amount of buck passing will excuse the action of this president, or his family members for that matter.

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  • RunDatShiet
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    Originally posted by kEgBeGgEr
    Seriously. As for people blaming him about the evacuation, you only call for a forced evacuation if the storm is very powerful. Katrina only upgraded to category 4 very soon before it hit New Orleans, at which time the mayor ordered a forced evacuation.

    Too late yes, but nobody knew Katrina was going to swing towards warmer waters and grow much more powerful.
    It was a category 5 and degraded to category 4 right before it hit the coast. Your statement is completely false. People had a whole 2 days of warning before the storm hit and the mayor just got on tv a couple times and told people to leave. Meanwhile around 1000 buses sat idle and eventually got flooded. He is a horrible leader. Actually he isn't a leader at all.


    Originally posted by kEgBeGgEr
    People are saying Bush failed because his response was too late. His tour of the city was too late. His blaming local and state authorities as not asking him for help quick enough as the reason for late aid was completely in bad taste. The mayor called him on his bullshit, when he compared the extremely quick response to 9/11 in New York. Nobody waited for a formal decleration of help from the Governer or Guiliani.

    Your comparing 10 square blocks to an entire coast? Wow. Hmmm i don't remember federal officials running into the burning buildings. It was all NYPD, NYFD and Port authority involved in the initial aftermath, So you and Ray Nagin are complete idiots. Only difference is that that idiot is holding office.
    Last edited by RunDatShiet; 09-07-2005, 11:00 AM.

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  • RunDatShiet
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    How can a mayor of a city blame a president of a country for his cities unpreparedness?. The mayor is obviously to blame in this, But since hes black you won't see much of that. He could of used hundreds of buses to get people out of the city, But instead their wasted in 8 feet high water right now. That guy needs to be fired.

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  • SlimCorn82
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    Body count rises, and CNN asks whos to blame...

    POLL: who is to blame for the problems in the city following the hurricane? --
    13 percent said Bush
    18 percent said federal agencies
    25 percent blamed state or local officials
    38 percent said no one is to blame
    63 percent said they do not believe anyone at federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired as a result.


    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/07/kat...oll/index.html

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  • gdillinjah
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    ^^ Good find.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predict...or_New_Orleans

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    Broussard on Meet the Press:
    " We have been abandoned by our own country."



    http://www.infowars.com/video/clips/...meet_press.htm

    FEMA Deliberately Sabotaging Hurricane Relief Efforts
    Multiple parishes revolt, use armed guards to defend against feds
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...sabotaging.htm

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