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  • Thoughts on Harper..... Is it time to give Conservatives in Canada another chance?

    Today Harper released a very well thought out and well delivered plan demonstrating what the Conservative party planned to change if they got office in the upcomming election. Canada is at a strange place right now in its history, we are at a time where we find a majority of Canadians are looking to distance themselves as far from American policy as possible due to the overwhelming unpopularity of the current American president and his administration. However we are also very fed up with our own current minority government just as much for failing in areas of public safety, national defence and mis-use of public funds. But the Liberal party offers us one thing we cherish more than safety from terrorists and money matters, and that is the backbone to say "NO" to an American president when Canadians feel that president is making a bad decision. Conservatives in the past have left a very bad taste in Canadian mouths, its safe to say that distaste started after Diefenbaker sold our army out to the Americans by the dismatleing of the Canadian created super-jet the Avro Arrow that was a HUGE undertaking on behalf of Canadian taxpayers. And when Diefenbaker simply halted the project after the jet was prepared to be fabricated and sold to countries all over the world, not only was the project halted but Diefenbaker ordered every jet destroyed, and all documents about the jet destroyed. It ruined the Canadian economy at the time, all those tax dollars went out the door, the Avro company and its employees were picked up by American agencies and went on to create GREAT American technology that obliderated Russian technology at the time and turned the cold war luke warm, of course I am talking about projects like the F16, F18, SpaceShuttle and every other company that used Avro technology in their jet propulsion from engineers dispursed in the Avro disassembly. This hurt Canadians profoundly, not just in the wasted tax dollars we never got back, but the National pride that went into those planes when it was announced that Canada had sucessfully created the most technologically advanced interceptor jet plane ever created at a time where technology was the balance of war, and jet plane technology was at its MOST precious commodity. We felt destroyed and sold out by the Conservative government we elected to power, needless to say it was a long time before Canadians would turn to the Conservatives to lead the country again.

    But low and behold after an unprecedented amount of years of Liberal rule under a Prime Minister reguarded as one of Canada's greatest ambassadors and job creators, and a boom of business and the economy in general for Canadians along with it, for some reason Canadians felt it was time to give the Conservative party another chance with a man named Brian Mulroney. Mulroney started off as a respectable Prime Minister, he had great relations with leaders around the world, he had Canadian and American relations at their closest they had been since the last Conservative Prime Minister was in office. But Mulroney made the same mistake Diefenbaker made to the demise of his party, he sold us out AGAIN. This time in the form of free trade. Free trade destroyed Canadian businesses buit up under the Liberal government before it, and replaced it with American chains. It crushed our ability to be seperated from the American economy and meant we would end up paying for American mistakes when it comes to issues like ENORON and WorldCom. And instead of supplying our own independent oil and energy needs with our own products, now we must buy them through their American owners who's chains took over our independant companies long ago. Couple that with the introduction of "no-fault" insurance, a government skam created to make Canada a more attractive business establishment for American Insurance companies, a failing economy and the complete reliance on the American economy that we are hurt by to this day, we can thank Mulroney for all of it. G.S.T. included.... Needless to say all we got out of Mulroney was higher taxes and huge government cuts and big, big debt. Again it would be a long time before Canadians would vote Conservative again.

    But now after a very long Liberal rule, we have got back a little of the individuality we felt we lost while Mulroney was in power with Chretiens hard stance on American influence and policies. Although Chretien was ignorant in his own way, he gave us a sense of detachment that Canadians desired to feel again after the sell off of our natural resources and the plundering of our military. And even though Chritien did not leave office in what I would call a graceful manner, he still did not cause the Canadians to feel sold-off or second rate, even if he did take more of our money for sponsorship of Canada in French Canada.... Although we felt betrayed by the sponsorship scandal, it was better than feeling sold like a slave to democracy. And now we have Martin, a man that strong armed Chreiten into retiring along with other members of the Liberal party for reasons unkown, but at least has stood strong againt American policies that us Canadians do not agree with, Iraq, missile defence and has not backed down completely on drug policies and how Canada wants to deal with these policies in the future. Would Harper have made these same decisions that we find to be most important to us?

    Well in his latest press release Harper has attempted to make a direct and simple explainaition of what his party is looking to accomplish if they get to lead the country after the next election this fall. He talk about much needed reform within our judicial system, the creation of more efficient infrastructure and has fired many of the Conservative staffers from the HATED Alliance party union that most intellectual voters wanted NOTHING to do with. this means that the Conservatives are a new party on the rise again and that Harper is starting to realize the proper changes he needed to make within the party to gain Canadian voters trust again. These are moves in the right direction. Add this to Harpers excellent record when it comes to defending Canadiansover the softwood lumber dispute, has led me to belive that Harper is a much more wothwhile candidate than the Conservative party of Canada has produced in a very longtime. I am impressed by him thusfar and in this time of uncertainty when many Canadians are looking for change in government but fear that the next sell-off to a president like Bush would be our last, I feel that Harper would keep true canadian interests at heart. He does not act like most Conservative leaders in the past, and his ties to big business are not as close as Mulroneys or Clarks before him. Martin has proved himself as an effective leader in some respects, and as a financial advisor for our country he has had a hand in making Canada the least in debt country of all developed countires. But has also made some bad decisions when it has come to spending ( useless secondhand submarines from the british navy), socially in the form of our nearly completely crippled health Care system and our failure of a judicial system that sees lowly drug dealers serving longer sentences in harsher confinements than child molesters and rapists, violent offenders, stalkers and other perpetual criminals. This is a trend Canadians want to see changed, and when reports like the ones comming out of New Orleans SuperDome where women are screaming to police about how "they are raping babies in the washrooms", and violent criminals have the ability to take control due to pure numbers in times of disaster if they are on the streets, and make a bad situation worse, many of us think to ourselves how could this have been avoided? And if our current system would protect US in a time or that kind of disaster. And if you think about it, the answer is no, we do not keep violent criminals locked up, why? Because there is not enough room in the prisons, however some 75 percent of criminals in jail are there because of consecutive drug sentences and a first time child molester will serve 4 months at most for a first offence, however there are statisitcs that will verify that most child molesters have offended up top 30 times before they get caught for the first time... How are those numbers alright? How can we fix it when our current Prime Minister will not even aknowledge that these issues exist, let alone counter them with an opinion. How bad do you think this disaster would have been if the worst report out of the SuperDome was "OH MY GOD THEIR SELLING DIME BAGS IN THE BATHROOM" compared to the actual report issued? I want to avoid that kind of chaos if a disaster of that magnitude happen on this side of the border. I also want to see many more changes in the judicial system that Martin has never aknowledged. Harper has made it a priority, and in my mind it is one, he has also had no problem speaking out against the current Canadian ambassador from the states over trade disputes that we cannot afford to back down from. He also makes excellent points about our failing military. Harper is showing his backbone, and people like me are prouder for it. If he continues to impress, I beleive Canadians should give him a chance to lead and bring balance back to our government. God Knows we need it. Canadians need to remember that Canadian conservatives are not American conservatives and that Harper should not be hurt politically by the actions of other "conservatives" south of the border. Harper aint Mulroney, and Bush aint Reagan. That's all.
    Last edited by gdillinjah; 09-06-2005, 05:03 PM.
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  • #2
    It's time for the conservatives to regain control over Canada...

    The Liberals have become a Giant corrupted party, and Canada needs a fresh start...

    Harper has always come across to me as a balanced, thoughtful politician...

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    • #3
      I dont think conservatives are destined to sell out a country just as I dont think liberals are destined to created individualism. I think Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan reinvented conservatism and it forced the opposite parties to rethink their strategies, creating excellent leaders in the form of Bill Clinton (a very moderate democrat) and Tony Blair (who coined the term "New Labour", which incorporated Thatcher's successes with Labour's agenda). Those leaders were both "young" AND willing to incorporate new techniques to lure back voters. Essentially, the "best of both worlds".

      I do not know much about Harper right now but I wouldn't mind knowing more. I'm not going to take sides because I think you can have excellent leaders on both sides. If Harper appears to be more moderate and more fitting to the modern needs of the people, then vote him in office. Certainly, Chretin was (in my opinion) awful and Paul Martin certainly isn't a "leader" nor is he anything special. I think Canada can do MUCH better, but i'm not going to take sides and suggest who I think can do the job. It certainly isn't Martin, so if he runs against Harper, then I think I would vote for a new start just because its better then the Status Quo.

      A lot of Canadians felt "sold out" by conservative changes in the past. I can understand the jet (avro?) scandal but I dont think the free trade agreement was as bad as people make it out to be. Keep in mind, protectionist governments like France and Germany are probably kicking themselves that they werent "sold out" like that back in the day when a conservative named Thatcher "sold out britain". Her policies were very unpopular at first, just as Mulroney's were. But look at Canada and Britain and America.. after conservatives in power... and you see the results of the 90's and the continued success throughout the 00's while more liberal countries arent fairing well at all.

      Another conservative leader is that of Australia, Prime minister Howard. While many people feel 'sold out' because of the free trade agreement he made with America, Australia continues to be one of the best economies in the world - in terms of growth and low debt.

      I guess it comes down to what your ideals are. To me, it is virtually impossible to find a leader who can accomplish everything I want: very strict gun control laws, continued legal abortion, tough on terrorism, environmentally tough, less reliant on oil, big on open space, big on education and infrastructure, and very friendly to business.

      ... it's not a combination either party breeds!

      Therefore, I look at the complete package and I see who can lead the country better. If Harper looks like someone who can inspire, convince, and lead.. then vote him in. If not, weather Martin a little bit longer and hopefully two better candidates turn out for the next election.
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      • #4
        Our conservatives are horrible. Our liberals are horrible. I'll take the liberals still over the conservatives, they always take a bad situation and make it worse, provincially and federally. The liberals are corrupt? so what every governments corrupt, especially in Canada. I dont think you realize exactly how corrupt Canada is from local government and police all the way up to the prime minister. The liberals seem to be the only party of our major 3 who dont completely fuck up everything up. They fuck a lot of shit up, but not as much as a conservative or an NDP government would. Harpers such a little bitch, if he becomes prime minister it'll be a fucking embarrassment. The guys a fucking joke who wouldnt even be considered to be president if people werent so naive as to trust the government and then feel betrayed when they find out they're corrupt. With martin, you know what your getting, a business man who doesnt want to say or do anything too controversial or risky and just let shit go the way it goes and make some cash along the way. In my opinion Canada is good the way it is, the last thing we need is anybody trying to change shit up and bringing a bunch of new bullshit laws, the way the conservatives always do.

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        • #5
          You neo-Liberals disgust me, and I'm hard to disgust.

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          • #6
            See when my grandpa immigrated from India to America, then Canada he always told my mom to Vote liberal no matter what. And from a young age my mom told me the same thing because Liberals were out for the best interest of the people. However now I'm almost grown up, I'm 17 years old and by the next election I will be eligible to vote and voice my opinions further.

            However now that I'm old enough to form my own opinion and not just have a parent telling me such and such, I see a corrupt government in office. This Sponsorship Scandal hurt the Liberal party incredibly in my eyes and as a young Canadian I'm looking out for the interests of myself, but more importantly all of my peers as well and the future generations. I want to see the judicial system go through an overhaul. Who cares about a petty weed dealer when it's sadly true child molestors do such little time compared to a teenager who sells a 3 and a half of Quebec Gold bud out on a street corner. Big whoop.

            I want change now. I want us to return to the days when Canada's military was respected, and I want our healthcare to go through some revamping.

            I wouldn't mind seeing two-tier healthcare. If rich people can go for private health care, let them! it makes the waiting time on us disadvantaged people easier and it satisfy's everyone, especially the doctors who're treating those in a private sector.

            I say it's time for a change, and I want to watch how Harper goes about how he campaigns.

            Also, GD. I'd like to know if you know of any Canadian political websites with up to date news purely on politics, I'd appreciate it.

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            • #7
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist...arty_of_Canada
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_Canada
              Last edited by w.i.m.; 09-06-2005, 09:40 PM.

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              • #8
                lol yes. I'll vote for the Communist Party of Canada. Right.

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                • #9
                  No, they're Stalinists, I linked to Marxist-Leninists.

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                  • #10
                    yes. Of course. I do appreciate the NDP link though.

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                    • #11
                      good, they're socialist.

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                      • #12
                        yes but you realize it'd take Harper and Martin screwing up incredibly like both of them saying we should invade Iran with America(cause we all know it's going to happen) to swerve support for the NDP to get a grasp of the federal government, and probably just above a minority government even?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Delinquent Fait
                          See when my grandpa immigrated from India to America, then Canada he always told my mom to Vote liberal no matter what. And from a young age my mom told me the same thing because Liberals were out for the best interest of the people. However now I'm almost grown up, I'm 17 years old and by the next election I will be eligible to vote and voice my opinions further.

                          However now that I'm old enough to form my own opinion and not just have a parent telling me such and such, I see a corrupt government in office. This Sponsorship Scandal hurt the Liberal party incredibly in my eyes and as a young Canadian I'm looking out for the interests of myself, but more importantly all of my peers as well and the future generations. I want to see the judicial system go through an overhaul. Who cares about a petty weed dealer when it's sadly true child molestors do such little time compared to a teenager who sells a 3 and a half of Quebec Gold bud out on a street corner. Big whoop.

                          I want change now. I want us to return to the days when Canada's military was respected, and I want our healthcare to go through some revamping.

                          I wouldn't mind seeing two-tier healthcare. If rich people can go for private health care, let them! it makes the waiting time on us disadvantaged people easier and it satisfy's everyone, especially the doctors who're treating those in a private sector.

                          I say it's time for a change, and I want to watch how Harper goes about how he campaigns.

                          Also, GD. I'd like to know if you know of any Canadian political websites with up to date news purely on politics, I'd appreciate it.

                          I will be watching all parties this election with an open mind, moreso than I have in the past few elections. The NDP are on my radar for sure, they seem to have a more Environmentally friendly approach to Socialisim than the Liberals have produced. And their stance on marijuana is a bonus for me personally. However voting in the NDP while the Conservatives have power in the US could devestate US/Canada relations. The Republicans would be quick to cause a rift if the NDP took office Im afraid.

                          I have a few kick ass Canadian polictical sites that provide excellent sources of detailed government info, on almost every level of government.

                          http://polisci.nelson.com/canpol.html


                          http://www.canadawebpages.com/

                          http://www.synapse.net/radio/can-pol.htm

                          http://liblogs.freethought.ca/

                          http://heartofcanada.typepad.com/

                          http://www.mapleleafweb.com/main.shtml

                          http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/index.asp?Language=E

                          If you all get bored of those I have more. : )

                          Originally posted by TheWalrus
                          Therefore, I look at the complete package and I see who can lead the country better. If Harper looks like someone who can inspire, convince, and lead.. then vote him in. If not, weather Martin a little bit longer and hopefully two better candidates turn out for the next election.

                          Thre great thing about Canadian politics is that we can also vote for another group that may not necessarily WIN the election, but if voted for may have a stronger voice in the house of commons. That is why I would also say to voters reading this to not count the Green Party or NDP out of your final voting decisions. Giving either of these parties more influence in the House of Commons will mean interests you hold dear are more likely to be heard. But Martin has pissed a lot of fence sitters when he chose that new seperatisit Governor General. The last thing we needed was an anti-Canadian as our number 2 ambassador.


                          Originally posted by S-DOT
                          Our conservatives are horrible. Our liberals are horrible. I'll take the liberals still over the conservatives, they always take a bad situation and make it worse, provincially and federally. The liberals are corrupt? so what every governments corrupt, especially in Canada. I dont think you realize exactly how corrupt Canada is from local government and police all the way up to the prime minister. The liberals seem to be the only party of our major 3 who dont completely fuck up everything up. They fuck a lot of shit up, but not as much as a conservative or an NDP government would. Harpers such a little bitch, if he becomes prime minister it'll be a fucking embarrassment. The guys a fucking joke who wouldnt even be considered to be president if people werent so naive as to trust the government and then feel betrayed when they find out they're corrupt. With martin, you know what your getting, a business man who doesnt want to say or do anything too controversial or risky and just let shit go the way it goes and make some cash along the way. In my opinion Canada is good the way it is, the last thing we need is anybody trying to change shit up and bringing a bunch of new bullshit laws, the way the conservatives always do.

                          I agree with you more than you know. But IMO the Liberals have ignored the Judicial issue for far too long and if they wont do something about they have proven themselves useless. But at least Harper is fighting for Canadians on every level. Martin is a good politician tho, he knows how to play the game and win, he is stronger than many people give him credit for. And as a finance minister he got us a back to back surplus and has gotten us out of international debt better than any other country attempting to do so. Like I say this election will be the toughest one to cast a vote for in a long time.
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                          • #14
                            Whats Paul Martins solution to dealing with Iran and North Korea?

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                            • #15
                              ^Not selling them materials to build nuclear weapons and then turning around and being a hypocrite about it.

                              That is what is his solution is.

                              But yeah GD. I'm def going to be eyeing the Conservative and NDP parties respectivly over the next while.

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