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  • Cheney told to go 'fuck himself' / Navy Scolds Pilots for Rescue

    Here's a link to the CNN video.

    I don't know what to say about this, but it's definitely bad press for the federal government.

    Originally posted by Socrates
    I put his thread in here also, sorry to Socrates but both my link and this link are fairly unimportant, and this link was already posted in here... Plus the other thread was filling up with beef and the forum was getting messy so just keep the beef down please.
    Last edited by SlamboS; 09-08-2005, 03:23 PM.

  • #2

    "No war plan survives the first contact with the ENEMY? Operational leaders must always be ready to adjust." Donald Rumsfeld


    • #3
      please tell me he was not talking about the situation with the Navy pilots!


      • #4
        Is there a textual transcript or article yet?

        I'm at work
        Warpox exposes himself | Editorial 1 4 | 2Pox


        • #5
          Bri ^ Not that I can see... it's actually not a huge deal, basically these pilots left what they were supposed to be doing for the navy and rescued them. the person in charge of those pilots got upset at them for leaving their mission and it made a news article in the new york times. the second half of the video shows rumsfeld's response where he basically said that the people weren't punished, just told they should not stray off their mission. they made it look like it was a very small incident and in the us military's response to the article said they thought of them as heroes.

          so when it made the newspaper the government responded playing it down and saying that the pilots did the right thing in order to play the issue down. you can look at it as either just a small isolated incident that made the news only because people are mad at the us military... of you can look at it as a small piece of evidence pointing to a general kind of attitude that people within the military have.

          i don't have a huge opinion on it, i was just kinda interested because it's bad press and looks bad and it made it to cnn

          (by the way, i haven't seen the video since before i posted this thread, so my recap of it was all from memory so sorry if i fucked a few details up, but that's the general idea)


          • #6
            Ok you guys everything's going to be ok, Dick Cheney is happy with how the relief effort is going, he called it very impressive:



            • #7
              ^ Well I am certainly at peace now, this must mean we are in the final throes of this catastrophe.
              "Nationalism is an infantile sickness. It is the measles of the human race."

              -Albert Einstein


              • #8
                Cheney told "go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney" twice live on CNN while touring Katrina hurricane zone...haha

                Here's the video: http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10196.htm
                Last edited by Cryptic; 09-08-2005, 03:09 PM.


                • #9
                  ^ At least they called him "mister"
                  Warpox exposes himself | Editorial 1 4 | 2Pox


                  • #10
                    ^ Definitely more respectful than Cheney himself, that's for sure.

                    Didn't the guy tell someone to go fuck themself on the senate floor?


                    • #11
                      Cheney told to go 'fuck himself' by a protester on CNN

                      LOL! This guy deserves a medal.


                      This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
                      Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
                      Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
                      And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!
                      - Fort Minor


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Un-American
                        ^ Why oh why does every insult have to involve cocks in some way? Are people really so low-brown and uncreative that they can't possibly come up with anything else?

                        Hey meow, your the name bringing it up, It's not even suppoosed to be an insult, just a little sarcasm to lighten the mood. Don't get your panties in a knot now, just cause I don't feel creative today.

                        “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).


                        • #13
                          Finally, the truth is STARTING to come out:


                          Originally posted by Not On CNN
                          The Siege of New Orleans

                          "We have been abandoned by our own country.Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial." Aaron Broussard

                          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". George Orwell

                          by Mike Whitney

                          09/08/05 "ICH" -- -- Neither the Mainstream media nor the alternative-Leftist web sites have told the true story of what really happened in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. For the people of the region it was the greatest natural catastrophe they'd ever faced. For the Bush administration it was just another opportunity to use fear and anarchy to advance their global agenda.

                          The administration intentionally withheld desperately needed aid to the city to force Governor Kathleen Blanco into surrendering control of the National Guard and local police to federal authority. This explains why neither FEMA, nor Homeland Security nor the Pentagon lifted a finger to help the distraught townspeople for 4 full days. The administration was using vital supplies as bargaining chips to bribe the governor into submission. The goal was to dismantle regional defenses and militarize a major port city; an ambition that persists to this day.

                          The Katrina disaster provided the cover for the Pentagon to launch military operations against US citizens for the first time in modern history. Their effort was badly bungled, but the attempt is chilling nonetheless.

                          The strategy that was applied to New Orleans has been used across the nation, although to a lesser degree. Rumsfeld has consistently tried to undermine local preparedness and state control so that he can insert the military into domestic affairs. Within this schema, we can see how the calculated destruction of the National Guard (40% of who are overseas) works perfectly with the goals of the defense establishment and the corporate oligarchy it represents.

                          In the next few days we can expect to see an intensive media campaign to divert attention from the activities of the Pentagon, but the facts are clear. As Mr. Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parrish, LA said on Meet the Press:

                          "We had Wal-mart deliver three trucks of water. Trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back, said we didn't need them. This was a week go. We had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a coast guard vessel docked in my parish. The coast guard said come get the fuel right way. When we got there with our trucks, they got a word, FEMA says don't give you the fuel. Yesterday, yesterday, FEMA comes in and cuts all our emergency communications lines. They cut them without notice."

                          FEMA, which is supposed to work as a federal relief agency for major natural disasters, was functioning entirely as an intermediary for the Defense Dept to subvert relief efforts to force the Governor to capitulate. It is as close to a military-coup as we have ever seen in America.

                          The stories of how FEMA tried to sabotage aid and communications are too numerous to record here, but they will undoubtedly surface over time on the internet. The fact is, however, that FEMA was simply executing a larger plan to undermine operations and pave the way for a military take-over of all relief-related activities. That would serve as a tacit invitation for the first military occupation of an American city.

                          (Disrupting communications from the city was a major part of the operation. This explains why FEMA "cut all the communication lines" as Broussard notes above. The Pentagon clearly planned to draw a protective curtain around New Orleans so that it could execute their strategy without media scrutiny. I believe that they intended to forcefully evacuate the city to clear away vast swaths of the area earmarked for future private development without local resistance.)

                          The media analysis of the events following the hurricane has been superficial and diversionary. The emphasis on looting is a particularly heinous "racist" invention of the Bush administration to shift blame away from their criminal behavior. Even well-meaning liberal pundits and journalists, who have lambasted the administration for "lacking leadership" or for their ham-fisted methods of addressing the tragedy, are missing the point. New Orleans was the site of a massive military operation designed to seize and pacify a major port city in the American heartland. The people, who died waiting for federal assistance while the Governor jousted with the administration, are the casualties in the Pentagon's plan.

                          The Red Cross has already admitted that they were deliberately prevented from going into the city where they could have attended to the sick and hungry. So, too, the National Guard was ordered not to give the people food or water. One Guardsman who appeared on national TV admitted to giving water to an elderly woman who refused to evacuate her home said on camera, "It's against the rules, but I gave her water".

                          FEMA deliberately withheld water to the people at the convention center because (and I paraphrase the head of the Red Cross) "If we give them water they won't leave."

                          (A note on FEMA: FEMA has been effectively gutted and has neither the ability nor the resources to address major natural catastrophes. It has been subsumed into a bureaucracy that has no intention of saving American lives or property when disaster strikes. The money has been sluiced off into other areas of Homeland Security where it is used to spy on American citizens or pay-off the constituents of the administration. This explains why Bush put an incompetent bungler like Michael Brown in charge. He has no real power. The real authority over disaster-management now falls under the Defense Dept.)

                          The orders from Washington (which were articulated on many of the major TV news feeds) were to "Empty the city, Cut off communications between the citizenry, and Protect private property." Much of this has already been confirmed in the Broussard statement.

                          The zeal with which the Defense Dept approached the siege of New Orleans is impressive. Journalist Wayne Madsen reports that the military was involved in jamming New Orleans's communications. "The emitter is an IF
                          (Intermediate Frequency) jammer that is operating south-southwest of New Orleans on board a US Navy ship, according to an anonymous source. The jamming is cross-spectrum and interfering with supereterodyne receiver components, including the emergency radios being used in New Orleans relief efforts."

                          Madsen's report coincides with another report from Democracy Now's Sharif Abdel Kouddous in New Orleans:

                          "Well Amy, Saturday and Sunday, there was a large number of troops here: Marines, U.S. Coast Guard, National Guard, there's hummers everywhere, everyone is armed with assault rifles. And I think that what many people don't realize is that New Orleans has really become a militarized zone. I think this is the fault and the major error that has occurred with many of the relief operations here is that they weren't relief operations. They were militarized -- you know, there's a curfew set at 6:00 p.m. in New Orleans and especially in the poorer neighborhoods. If you walked out after 6:00 p.m., you would get shot."

                          Kouddous report provides an alarming insight into the reality of the New Orleans siege. The operation currently taking place is only slightly different from similar maneuvers in Baghdad or Kabul; the fundamental principles are the same. If we were to see some indication of coordinated resistance, like an armed uprising of New Orleans drug addicts firing on troops, the situation would quickly degenerate into a Falluja-type scenario, with Rumsfeld closing down the entire region to the media and devastating vast swaths of the city to crush the "indigenous terrorists".

                          There's nothing accidental about the current developments on the ground.

                          The orders are clear: "Empty the city, Cut off communications between the citizenry, and Protect private property." The result is a massive ethnic cleansing operation that will displace tens of thousands of poor, black residents and pave the way for Halliburton and other major Bush contributors to rebuild the city at taxpayer expense. This is the clearest illustration of class-based warfare we have seen to date, but we expect more will follow.

                          The Bush administration has established its first domestic beachhead in the "Big Easy", where 50,000 fully-armed troops now patrol the streets giving us our first unobstructed-view of New World Order.

                          Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at: [email protected]

                          Copyright: Mike Whitney. All rights reserved
                          Would you let the system sit (shit) down on your head again? NO, DREAD, NO.
                          Would you let the system
                          make you kill your brother man? NO, DREAD, NO


                          • #14
                            "No war plan survives the first contact with the ENEMY? Operational leaders must always be ready to adjust." Donald Rumsfeld

                            What is that from exactly?


                            • #15
                              found it

                              "These adjustments are happening in real time. As I have observed in the case of overseas military operations since September 11th, no war plan survives the first contact with the enemy. Operational leaders must always be ready to adjust. That's clearly the case in a major, indeed unprecedented, natural disaster of this nature. There will be plenty of time to examine what happened in response to this disaster, what worked and what didn't, and it's important that federal, state and local officials do so. However, the immediate task is for us to save lives and to stabilize the situation. And this department is determined to provide whatever assistance we can as fast as we can in support of the Department of Homeland Security.

                              Americans have endured other times of great tragedy, and San Francisco and Chicago and other great cities have faced destruction from fire, from earthquakes and natural disasters. Those cities survived and thrived in eras when this country was not nearly as wealthy and capable as we are today. Certainly our hearts go out to all of those who have suffered such terrible losses, and our thoughts and prayers are with them all. "


                              there's some interesting info in there
                              Last edited by #1GROUPIEBITCH!; 09-08-2005, 04:39 PM.


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