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  • The Four Myths of Zionism

    This is the introduction of a book titled "The Hidden History of Zionism" by Ralph Schoenman, which can be read fully here



    It is not accidental that when anyone attempts to examine the nature of Zionism – its origins, history and dynamics – they meet with people who terrorize or threaten them. Quite recently, after mentioning a meeting on the plight of the Palestinian people during an interview on KPFK, a Los Angeles radio station, the organizers of the public meeting were deluged with bomb threats from anonymous callers.

    Nor is it easy in the United States or Western Europe to disseminate information about the nature of Zionism or to analyze the specific events which denote Zionism as a political movement. Even the announcement on university campuses of authorized forums or meetings on the subject invariably engenders a campaign designed to close off discussion. Posters are torn down as fast as they are put up. Meetings are packed by flying squads of Zionist youth who seek to break them up. Literature tables are vandalized and leaflets and articles appear accusing the speaker of anti-Semitism or, in the case of those of Jewish origin, of self-hatred.

    Vindictiveness and slander are so universally meted out to anti-Zionists because the disparity between the official fiction about Zionism and the Israeli state, on the one hand, and the barbarous practice of this colonial ideology and coercive apparatus, on the other, is so vast. People are in shock when they have an opportunity to hear or read about the century of persecution suffered by the Palestinians, and, thus, the apologists for Zionism are relentless in seeking to prevent coherent, dispassionate examination of the virulent and chauvinist record of the Zionist movement and of the state which embodies its values.

    The irony of this is that when we study what the Zionists have written and said – particularly when addressing themselves – no doubt remains about what they have done or of their place in the political spectrum, dating from the last quarter of the 19th century to the present day.

    Four overriding myths have shaped the consciousness of most people in our society about Zionism.

    The first is that of “A land without a people for a people without a land.” This myth was sedulously cultivated by early Zionists to promote the fiction that Palestine was a remote, desolate place ready for the taking. This claim was quickly followed by denial of Palestinian identity, nationhood or legitimate entitlement to the land in which the Palestinian people have lived throughout their recorded history.

    The second is the myth of Israeli democracy. Innumerable newspaper stories or television references to the Israeli state are followed by the assertion that it is the only “real” democracy in the Middle East. In fact, Israel is as democratic as the apartheid state of South Africa. Civil liberty, due process and the most basic human rights are by law denied those who do not meet racial, religious criteria.

    The third myth is that of “security” as the motor force of Israeli foreign policy. Zionists maintain that their state must be the fourth largest military power in the world because Israel has been forced to defend itself against imminent menace from primitive, hate-consumed Arab masses only recently dropped from the trees.

    The fourth myth is that of Zionism as the moral legatee of the victims of the Holocaust. This is at once the most pervasive and insidious of the myths about Zionism. Ideologues for the Zionist movement have wrapped themselves in the collective shroud of the six million Jews who fell victim to Nazi mass murder. The bitter and cruel irony of this false claim is that the Zionist movement itself actively colluded with Nazism from its inception.*

    To most people it appears anomalous that the Zionist movement, which forever invokes the horror of the Holocaust, should have collaborated actively with the most vicious enemy ever faced by the Jews. The record, however, reveals not merely common interests but a deep ideological affinity rooted in the extreme chauvinism which they share.

    *Excluding the National Socialist party, the Zionist party was the only legal party in Nazi Germany.

  • #2
    ^^ Interesting, but I wish he elaborated more on the myths.
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    • #3
      Click on the link, there's full chapters explaining all four of the myths. They're pretty short in word-length and you should be able to pick out the relevant chapters on each of the four myths by their chapter titles.
      Last edited by | K Y L E |; 09-10-2005, 01:53 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by | K Y L E |
        It is not accidental that when anyone attempts to examine the nature of Zionism – its origins, history and dynamics – they meet with people who terrorize or threaten them. Quite recently, after mentioning a meeting on the plight of the Palestinian people during an interview on KPFK, a Los Angeles radio station, the organizers of the public meeting were deluged with bomb threats from anonymous callers.
        .
        So what your saying is anybody expressing thoughts that could be seen as anti-Zionist, are sometimes subject to external pressures and criticisms...

        Well in today's world, there is a lot more people that would terrorize individuals expressing thoughts that could be seen as pro-Zionist....

        So since this article failed to present both sides of even this obvious fucking reality, it's obvious that this article is intended for the purpose of propaganda, and shouldn't be taken as an article that's been well-researched or credible....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Drunk Monkey
          So what your saying is anybody expressing thoughts that could be seen as anti-Zionist, are sometimes subject to external pressures and criticisms...

          Well in today's world, there is a lot more people that would terrorize individuals expressing thoughts that could be seen as pro-Zionist....

          So since this article failed to present both sides of even this obvious fucking reality, it's obvious that this article is intended for the purpose of propaganda, and shouldn't be taken as an article that's been well-researched or credible....

          Score one for the Canadian!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Drunk Monkey
            So what your saying is anybody expressing thoughts that could be seen as anti-Zionist, are sometimes subject to external pressures and criticisms...

            Well in today's world, there is a lot more people that would terrorize individuals expressing thoughts that could be seen as pro-Zionist....

            So since this article failed to present both sides of even this obvious fucking reality, it's obvious that this article is intended for the purpose of propaganda, and shouldn't be taken as an article that's been well-researched or credible....

            Just because two paragraphs that are intended to show readers the hypocrisy and sheer lunacy that pro-Zionists people do, that somehow makes it biased and propaganda, nor is it well-researched or credible?

            I suggest reading the book, or at least the chapters related to the four myths, before you start making assumptions on book because the introduction is unfavorable to western Zionists. There's no need to be so defensive, I can assure you this book is well researched and there is no propaganda (the man that wrote it is a well-respected human rights activist).

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            • #7
              i wonder what KYLE thinks of the arab nations who are ANTI-Zionist but who are also ANTI-Palestinian.

              The second is the myth of Israeli democracy. Innumerable newspaper stories or television references to the Israeli state are followed by the assertion that it is the only “real” democracy in the Middle East. In fact, Israel is as democratic as the apartheid state of South Africa. Civil liberty, due process and the most basic human rights are by law denied those who do not meet racial, religious criteria.
              do you live in Israel, because you should know as well as i do that legislation (if thats what you are refering to) does NOT reflect on the actual treatment of people (for example, the legality of the horrors of apartheid south africa, or even the legality of the atrocities taking place in zimbabwe). My point here is that only someone living in Israel would be able to vouch for your claims (or Ralph Schoenman's claims...not yours). Did you live in south africa during the paratheid years? ...just a question, i do not mean to undermine your aparent omnipotence of world issues, past and present.
              Did you know that free education is given to ALL israeli citizens, no matter of race or religion? (and yes, there are muslim, catholic, armenian, jewish, etc. Israelis)
              not forgetting the free healthcare...
              oh, and also the fact that a person of any religion can live wherever he/she chooses.

              south africa had mixed-marriage restrictions, it had laws keeping blacks out of white areas at certain times, it had fixed education for black people, it had white job reservation, it had township acts keeping blacks in their respective townships.
              i could go on forever, and so could you if you researched more of south africa's history before you compared another country to it.

              i dont really understand how someone who tries to appear to be so intelligent would create a thread with so little tangible proof and such outrageous comparisons...which are obviously ones he believes, but they arent even ones he created himself.

              i wonder how Steve Biko or Chris Hani would feel if they knew their struggle was being compared to the luxurious life an Israeli Muslim benefits from...

              it's really a shame how quickly history is forgotten...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ApeShit
                i wonder what KYLE thinks of the arab nations who are ANTI-Zionist but who are also ANTI-Palestinian.
                First off this article, and the book, is an attack on the ideology Zionism. More importantly its history, its relation to Nazism, and its conquests and perversions upto 1988.


                Your question is flawed. What do you expect me to write on "arab nations" that have many different forms of ideological governments, their position on the worldscale, their population, etc. and many important factors when discussing why an Arab leader would be anti-Palestinian (i.e. the people of Palestine), while at the same time anti-Zionist (i.e. a Jewish colonial ideology).





                do you live in Israel, because you should know as well as i do that legislation (if thats what you are refering to) does NOT reflect on the actual treatment of people (for example, the legality of the horrors of apartheid south africa, or even the legality of the atrocities taking place in zimbabwe).
                You are truely ignorant if you believe so. I suggest researching the matter and use international respected organisations and their research (eg. Amnesty) as you might be shocked.


                "Until 1966, the Palestinian citizens of Israel lived under military administration. Still today...the Palestinian minority continues to be subjected to systematic institutional and legal discrimination, and is completely marginalized by the Israeli government. Israeli prime ministers from left and right have recently acknowledged this discrimination...

                When one looks at the economic conditions of Palestinians in Israel, this gap becomes apparent. The Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics has classified all communities in Israel into 10 clusters according to their socio-economic status. All 10 communities in the lowest cluster are Palestinian. Out of 26 communities in the second lowest cluster, 23 are Palestinian. None of the Palestinian communities ranked higher than the five lowest classifications. Moreover, almost 50 percent of the children living below the poverty line in Israel are Palestinian, despite the fact that Palestinians do not comprise more than 20 percent of Israel’s entire population. Palestinians in Israel also receive less education than their Jewish counterparts. Sixty percent of the Palestinian labor force have a maximum of nine years of education. Only five percent of Palestinians have college degrees or higher, compared to 17 percent of Jews in Israel.

                In addition, Palestinians encounter problems of overcrowding. They own less than three percent of Israel’s land, and less than 50 percent of that land is under their local authority’s jurisdiction. The severe lack of appropriate, updated urban plans for their neighborhoods has created a serious housing problem. This shortage has resulted in a high population density, as well as more than 10,000 illegal houses threatened to be demolished under court order.

                According to a report submitted to the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination by Adalah, The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, there are 17 Israeli laws that are discriminatory against Palestinians. These laws create a reality in which Palestinian citizens are deprived of basic educational, religious, social, and economic rights."
                http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/


                Did you know that free education is given to ALL israeli citizens, no matter of race or religion? (and yes, there are muslim, catholic, armenian, jewish, etc. Israelis)
                not forgetting the free healthcare...
                oh, and also the fact that a person of any religion can live wherever he/she chooses.
                Did you know that free education was given to all apartheid citizens, as was healthcare? Did know that the freedom of living anywhere he/she wants only was passed in the Israeli supreme court as of 2002? and passing legislation is one thing...

                i could go on forever, and so could you if you researched more of south africa's history before you compared another country to it.
                As you know I did not write this article.

                Bishop Desmond Tutu said Israel was like an apartheid state.

                Here is what Nelson Mandela said: "We consider ourselves to be comrades in arms to the Palestinian Arabs in their struggle for the liberation of Palestine. There is not a single citizen in South Africa who is not ready to stand by his Palestinian brothers in their legitimate fight against the Zionist racists" wikiquote.org

                Countless more, so many more apartheid survivors have made the comparsions.
                Last edited by | K Y L E |; 09-11-2005, 02:58 AM.

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                • #9
                  im sorry KYLE, but i am not sold (nor, truthfully, will i ever be)
                  ...i wrote out this long reply rebutting all of your statements...but then i realised it was completely pointles...since what you say doesnt really have an impact on me and what i say doesnt really have an impact on you...i also dont want to play post tennis with you all day long. i think we could probably agree on that one thing at least.

                  i would just like to say that from the way you criticise israels treatment of the palestinian question, i must assume that you believe that it is NOT a view of some (if not the majority) of the palestinians, to destroy israel....if i am right, and you do not believe that, then i can understand why you fail to realise that israel has no other choice than to be weary of this problem.

                  the palestinians chose to alienate themselves from israel, much to their detriment. Soon i am sure they will have their own state, and perhaps then they will have the freedom that you say they do not have at the moment.

                  as far as the quotes you gave me...fair enough, let mandela have his views...he was a strong fighter for south african rights.... but the man also personally forgave one of the terrorists involved in the Lockerbee tragedy.....on whose authority? my point is not to make mandlea out to be some sort of fool, but to point out that no matter how noble a man is, it does not mean that all his views are also that noble.

                  anyway, i guess im suffering from that syndrome where you think people on the internet actually give a damn what you have to say, even though i know 99% of you dont...and 99.9% of you certainly dont agree with me.

                  all i can say is for me it's good that there are people like you who will constantly criticise israel, because only under a watchful eye will a country (or person for that matter) be trully conscious of their actions.

                  anyway, thats about it....no point in a rematch, we already know where we both stand

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                  • #10
                    Cool. My beef is Zionism and what it stands for and its history before and after the creation of Israel. What the Palestinians do (you say the majority of them dream for the destruction of Israel) is simply subsequent events. So I criticize the Zionist leaders, it is pointless criticizing the minority and less powerful.

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                    • #11
                      alright then.
                      were you this strong a defender of palestinian rights when egypt ruled them? (because the egyptian rule over them was pretty dismal)
                      or are you more of an anti-zionist than a pro-palestinian?
                      no provokation intended, im just wondering whether it is simple zionism that feeds this hatred, or whether it is their treatment of palestians....
                      if it was the latter, then surely you should be equally (if not more) critical of the egyptians
                      no essays needed, i know the facts (even if they arent your facts) i just wouldnt mind knowing what your stance on egypt is...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ApeShit
                        alright then.
                        were you this strong a defender of palestinian rights when egypt ruled them? (because the egyptian rule over them was pretty dismal)
                        or are you more of an anti-zionist than a pro-palestinian?
                        no provokation intended, im just wondering whether it is simple zionism that feeds this hatred, or whether it is their treatment of palestians....
                        if it was the latter, then surely you should be equally (if not more) critical of the egyptians
                        no essays needed, i know the facts (even if they arent your facts) i just wouldnt mind knowing what your stance on egypt is...
                        Anti-Zionist.

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