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    SEOUL, March 22 (Reuters) - North Korea has no people with physical disabilities because they are killed almost as soon as they are born, a physician who defected from the communist state said on Wednesday.

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    If this is true, which it could simply be war-mongering propaganda, there is nothing wrong with this. Killing newbornes is comparable to abortions, as the newborne has no consciousness and is not a social being.

    The DPRK is a poor country with poor resources and no allies. Mouths need to be fed, and retarded people are a burden on society like the DPRK.

    Infanticide has been practiced by humans for thousands of years, the DPRK is not alone.

  • #2
    lmaooo. I sometimes agree with what you say, but for fucks sake Kyle.

    Trying to justify North Korea killing new born babies? That's really fucking low.

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    • #3
      Do you support abortion Harry?

      North Korea is completely justified in killing retards. It is a Third World country, and if people can't work to feed themselves than that is a problem. Infanticide is practiced due to necessity and if anyone that has studied N. Korea would understand that disabled babies are a burden upon society - just like they are in every Third World country, where they are left to die as soon as they are born.
      Last edited by | K Y L E |; 03-24-2006, 09:46 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by | K Y L E |
        Do you support abortion Harry?

        North Korea is completely justified in killing retards. It is a Third World country, and if people can't work to feed themselves than that is a problem. Infanticide is practiced due to necessity and if anyone that has studied N. Korea would understand that disabled babies are a burden upon society - just like they are in every Third World country, where they are left to die as soon as they are born.
        Yes, I do.

        But NOT once the baby is born. The way I see it...

        In the mothers womb, this baby still has no concscience. It is alive, but not to the full extent.

        Now, when a child is born... You can't have abortion. That is murder. There's a difference Kyle. I do suppose you will say then I am being hypocritical perhaps.. But that's fine.

        A partly grown fetus compared to a fully born child is different.

        Would you suggest then that children with disabilities be aborted when they're 5 years old? That is inhumane.

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        • #5
          North Korean defector?

          More like a prison escapee....

          North Korea's a piece of shit...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Harry
            Yes, I do.
            But NOT once the baby is born. The way I see it...
            In the mothers womb, this baby still has no concscience. It is alive, but not to the full extent.
            Children, unless abandoned outside of human society, develop consciousness between the ages of two to four years old.

            I agree that the baby in the womb is not alive to the "full extent" - that's why I support abortion.

            However, the same is true for newbornes.



            Now, when a child is born... You can't have abortion. That is murder.
            Not true. It is not murder. It is liquidating a lower form of human that has no consciousness and is not a Person.



            There's a difference Kyle.
            I do not see any difference. Except that the thing in one circumstance is in the womb, and in the other it is outside it.


            Would you suggest then that children with disabilities be aborted when they're 5 years old? That is inhumane.
            Depends on the circumstance.

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            • #7
              The DPRK is a poor country with poor resources and no allies. Mouths need to be fed, and retarded people are a burden on society like the DPRK.
              Also on that note, perhaps North Korea should change it's ways. China is still communist no and look how much it's coming up in the world.

              North Korea is no paradise, Kyle.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Drunk Monkey
                North Korean defector?
                More like a prison escapee....
                North Korea's a piece of shit...
                Honestly pal, no one takes a Zionist seriously when criticizing another nation. Go join the Zionist army and patrol the prison that is called Palestine.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Harry
                  Also on that note, perhaps North Korea should change it's ways. China is still communist no and look how much it's coming up in the world.
                  North Korea is no paradise, Kyle.
                  The rich are getting richer in China, the poor are getting poorer in China since capitalist reforms in 1982. If you call that coming up in the world then I'll have to disagree with you fundamentally.

                  North Korea should not change its ways. It is the most equalitarian and safest Third World country in the world, possibly with the exception of Cuba.

                  North Korea has the path of socialism or the path of imperialism.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                    Children, unless abandoned outside of human society, develop consciousness between the ages of two to four years old.
                    Yeah. What about the Helen Kellers of the world? These people are still PEOPLE, Kyle. Humanity has come a long way, we can help everyone now and they can still be beneficial to all of society.

                    Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                    I agree that the baby in the womb is not alive to the "full extent" - that's why I support abortion.
                    However, the same is true for newbornes.
                    No. Newborns are now into the world and can fully grow to do things with their life. Here's an example... If Stalin had been born without all his fingers, and was thus killed at birth...

                    Would you still agree with that?

                    Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                    Not true. It is not murder. It is liquidating a lower form of human that has no consciousness and is not a Person.
                    We've come a long way since the dark ages. This shit does not need to happen. This is just going too far in defending North Korea's fanatical ways. If North Korea opened up, and would live and abide by the rights of all human beings this wouldn't be a problem.

                    Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                    I do not see any difference. Except that the thing in one circumstance is in the womb, and in the other it is outside it.
                    Perhaps if abortion is done in the 7th or 8th month of pregnancy, which I'm not 100% sure on if they even allow and if they do it has to be a painful experience. Again, the difference is this person could grow up to become the Martin Luther King of people with at-birth disabilities. They could invent something, they can make positive contributions Kyle. Regardless of disability. My uncle was mentally disabled, and he taught me what no human being before or after has taught me, true love and loyalty.

                    They don't have to make a worldwide contribution to still be great people.

                    Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                    Depends on the circumstance.
                    Your 2nd user title is justly deserved.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                      The rich are getting richer in China, the poor are getting poorer in China since capitalist reforms in 1982. If you call that coming up in the world then I'll have to disagree with you fundamentally.
                      Then China needs to fix something and quick. I was speaking on terms as a whole of the nation itself it is coming up with the world economically. It's China's job now to look after it's poor and bring them up, there's many ways to do this with the money they will be making as they come up to ensure no one lives a horrible existance. They can start many social programs for this. That's up to China though, not me.

                      Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                      North Korea should not change its ways. It is the most equalitarian and safest Third World country in the world, possibly with the exception of Cuba.
                      North Korea is the most secretive country in the world and in my mind worse than any fabricated muslim enemies that Imperialists make up. North Korea is a real threat, not Iran, not Syria.

                      North Korea is a threat moreso than anything, to it's own people. I'd say it definitely needs change, and I'd be happy for either socialism or capatilism for it, although I'd prefer the former over the latter.

                      I understand the distaste for capatalism and imperialism, but one must not ignore any evil-whether on the other man's side or not.

                      Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                      North Korea has the path of socialism or the path of imperialism.
                      haha...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Harry
                        Yeah. What about the Helen Kellers of the world? These people are still PEOPLE, Kyle. Humanity has come a long way, we can help everyone now and they can still be beneficial to all of society.
                        Helen Keller was born in the richest (all stolen wealth) country in the world. North Korea has no other countries to rob, it has alack of natural rescoures, it is a POOR country. This is the same with the majority of the world.

                        Harry the facts are humanity has not came a long way. We can not help everyone at least today. North Korea is, or is not, killing retards for necessity, not for shits and giggles.

                        Disabled people can be a benefit to society. For example, blind people can be put to work on factory lines.

                        However, people with serve mental and physical difficulties in THIRD WORLD countries have to be put out of their misery. Those countries can not afford to support these people. This is facts.



                        No. Newborns are now into the world and can fully grow to do things with their life.
                        The keyword there is "can".

                        That foetus that was sucked out of some First World sluts pussy can grow to do things with their life, but it ain't going to happen as that thing is not a Person. It has no conscious and THEREFORE has no RIGHTS. It can only be protected.


                        Here's an example... If Stalin had been born without all his fingers, and was thus killed at birth...
                        Would you still agree with that?
                        If Stalin's family was a poor agricutlural family, that needed fully functioning children to carry on their existance, I would see no reason for "Stalin" -- or the unconscious human -- not to be liquidated.



                        We've come a long way since the dark ages. This shit does not need to happen.
                        Incorrect. It is very easy for you sitting in a PC in Canada to claim this, but in Third World countries it is very apparent that things like this need to happen.


                        This is just going too far in defending North Korea's fanatical ways.
                        Infanticide is a neccesity, not fanatical.

                        If North Korea opened up, and would live and abide by the rights of all human beings this wouldn't be a problem.
                        Just like how Russia opened up? Just like how Russians are now living perfect, Hollywood lifes? Get a grip, Harry.



                        Perhaps if abortion is done in the 7th or 8th month of pregnancy, which I'm not 100% sure on if they even allow and if they do it has to be a painful experience.
                        Abortion is done around those times. In some European countries, IIRC, it is right up to the 26th week.

                        Again, the difference is this person could grow up to become the Martin Luther King of people with at-birth disabilities.
                        So could the foetus.

                        The problem is with retards they cost a lot of money to support. Money that Third World countries do not have.


                        My uncle was mentally disabled, and he taught me what no human being before or after has taught me, true love and loyalty.
                        You see, Harry, your uncle, correct me if I am wrong, was born in Canada. A rich First World nation. If I were to call for your uncle to be killed at birth, in Canada, that would be wrong. There is no need - Canada has the money to support this man until he - possibly - can contribute something to society.

                        This is not possible in Third World nations.

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                        • #13
                          I always wondered why they didn't have a Special Olympics Team.

                          Serious though, I could have swear you said that that "famine" in North Korea was western propoganda.
                          http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                          “if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 260).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Harry
                            North Korea is the most secretive country in the world
                            No it is not. There are plenty of websites, books, etc. about north Korean history and today. It is called secretive because they do not allow American media into their country.


                            and in my mind worse than any fabricated muslim enemies that Imperialists make up. North Korea is a real threat, not Iran, not Syria.
                            North Korea is absolutely no threat to any nation. No Third World country, generally, is. The only threat is America, Canada, Europe, Japan, and other imperialist nations.



                            North Korea is a threat moreso than anything, to it's own people.
                            How so?


                            I'd say it definitely needs change, and I'd be happy for either socialism or capatilism for it, although I'd prefer the former over the latter.
                            Harry, why don't you look at all the ex "socialist" nations in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union? When things "change" is is for the absolute worse, except if you are a Jewish billionaire in Moscow of course.


                            I understand the distaste for capatalism and imperialism, but one must not ignore any evil-whether on the other man's side or not.
                            North Korea is not evil. It has problems I would like to see corrected, but on a whole, it is one of the greatest non-imperialist nations on Earth. Only Cuba rivals it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              Helen Keller was born in the richest (all stolen wealth) country in the world. North Korea has no other countries to rob, it has alack of natural rescoures, it is a POOR country. This is the same with the majority of the world.
                              And it will continue to be a poor country unless it's changes.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              Harry the facts are humanity has not came a long way. We can not help everyone at least today. North Korea is, or is not, killing retards for necessity, not for shits and giggles.
                              I never said it was killing infants for a good time, but that does not make it right. Yes, there needs to be changes. The money used to fuel Imperialism can be used to aid poorer nations, yes. That needs to be changed right now. But there are many intelligent people in North Korea, they're everywhere. I'm sure the great Kim Jong-Il could come up with a marvelous plan to help them, but Kyle face facts.

                              It's the EASY way out to just kill them off. And we cannot advance if we take the easy route.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              Disabled people can be a benefit to society. For example, blind people can be put to work on factory lines.
                              However, people with serve mental and physical difficulties in THIRD WORLD countries have to be put out of their misery. Those countries can not afford to support these people. This is facts.
                              Yes, things need to be changed. But that can't happen via the easy route of slaughtering infants because they're "retards", to use your terminology.
                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              The keyword there is "can".
                              That foetus that was sucked out of some First World sluts pussy can grow to do things with their life, but it ain't going to happen as that thing is not a Person. It has no conscious and THEREFORE has no RIGHTS. It can only be protected.
                              A fetus is a fetus, but a baby is now a human being ready to make it's way through the world.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              If Stalin's family was a poor agricutlural family, that needed fully functioning children to carry on their existance, I would see no reason for "Stalin" -- or the unconscious human -- not to be liquidated.
                              Alright then.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              Incorrect. It is very easy for you sitting in a PC in Canada to claim this, but in Third World countries it is very apparent that things like this need to happen.
                              Infanticide is a neccesity, not fanatical.
                              If you don't give someone a chance, you won't know what is possible. It's very easy for you sitting in a room on a PC in Europe to claim it's neccesity instead of actually trying to think of a better way to help these people than just "liquidate" them.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              Just like how Russia opened up? Just like how Russians are now living perfect, Hollywood lifes? Get a grip, Harry.
                              No one said it'd be easy, there's going to be growing pains.
                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              Abortion is done around those times. In some European countries, IIRC, it is right up to the 26th week.
                              Then thank you for clearing that up for me.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              So could the foetus.
                              The problem is with retards they cost a lot of money to support. Money that Third World countries do not have.
                              They eat the same amount as us. They wear the same clothes, drink the same water. It takes patience to take care of them. The easy route of "liquidation" is not patience.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              You see, Harry, your uncle, correct me if I am wrong, was born in Canada. A rich First World nation. If I were to call for your uncle to be killed at birth, in Canada, that would be wrong. There is no need - Canada has the money to support this man until he - possibly - can contribute something to society.
                              You are wrong, my uncle was born in India back in the early 60's. However my grandfather busted his ass to get the hell out of India and move to America, and then Canada to provide a better chance and hope for his children. Now if someone in North Korea could bust their ass, and then get to leave to GO to a better country that same "Retard" could indeed, make a contribution.

                              Originally posted by | K Y L E |
                              This is not possible in Third World nations.
                              Things are always changing, Kyle.

                              I've got to go for now to work, but I'd be more than happy to continue this when I'm back. Take care 'till then.

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