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  • reservoirGod
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    Originally posted by ethan20
    mccain to the right of bush? funny, because he's pro-government funded stem cell research, anti-death penalty, anti-torture legislation, and anti-tax cuts
    Torture is a Conservative Value? McCain is to right of Bush, just by virtue of him being a fiscal conservative... "Big Goverment Conservatives", like Bush, are oxymorons.

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  • TheWalrus
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    I like McCain but he's been too streaky and off-target in most election campaigns.

    I like Guiliani. I think condoleeza would make the best president thoguh, but she has denied wanting to run. Hillary could be good but I think her only claim to fame is her husband. I haven't seen much out of her in the senate other then liberal bickering, she's further to the left then Bill.

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  • TheWalrus
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    Originally posted by reservoirGod
    John McCain is to the right of George W. Bush
    Wrong. See ethan's comments.

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  • ethan20
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    mccain to the right of bush? funny, because he's pro-government funded stem cell research, anti-death penalty, anti-torture legislation, and anti-tax cuts

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  • reservoirGod
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    John McCain is to the right of George W. Bush and he was never friends with the Clintons... he had this great joke:
    Q: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
    A: Because, Janet Reno is her father.
    somebody must have been given you some bad information, when it comes to politics.

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  • StereoType
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    OK, let me answer. In 2000, I had a choice between Bush and McCain. I remember McCain being all buddy-buddy with Kerry and the Clinton people before that election, and I also thought he was pro-choice. I never did my homework on him, and I now know he was not as liberal as I once thought. However, Bush is conservative on almost every issue, and I thought he was running an effective campaign against Gore, "Compassionite Conservative, lower taxes, restoring morallity to the White house." Bush ran a very good campaign, so I supported him over McCain in 2000. If I could go back in time, I probably still would have supported Bush. But in 2008, I support McCain. Guilianni is way too liberal on social issue's, and guys like Frist may be too conservative. Although I do think Frist would make a good President. My only problem with McCain is that he is old, but people said the same thing about Reagan in 1980.

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  • reservoirGod
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    Originally posted by StereoType
    No, I think I supported Bush. But I thought McCain was pro-choice and all of that back then, now I know he is not.
    Originally posted by reservoirGod
    Why would you have thought that?
    Originally posted by reservoirGod
    You never answered me... McCain has had a 0% rating from NARAL since the begining of time. What would he had to do to get were support in '00... blow up a clinic?
    Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them
    On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion.
    Source: Boston Globe, p. A9 Jan 31, 2000

    “Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion
    KEYES [to McCain]: What you would say if your daughter was ever in a position where she might need an abortion? You answered [earlier today] that the choice would be up to her and then that you’d have a family conference. That displayed a profound lack of understanding of the basic issue of principle involved in abortion. After all, if your daughter said she was contemplating killing her grandmother for the inheritance, you wouldn’t say, “Let’s have a family conference.” You’d look at her and say “Just Say No,“ because that is morally wrong. It is God’s choice that that child is in the womb. And for us to usurp that choice in contradiction of our declaration of principles is just as wrong.
    McCAIN: I am proud of my pro-life record in public life, and I will continue to maintain it. I will not draw my children into this discussion. As a leader of a pro-life party with a pro-life position, I will persuade young Americans [to] understand the importance of the preservation of the rights of the unborn.

    Source: (X-ref from Keyes) GOP Debate in Manchester NH Jan 26, 2000

    Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape
    McCain was asked whether he would reinstate the Reagan era rule that prevents international family planning clinics that receive federal funds from discussing abortion. “I don’t believe they should advocate abortion with my tax dollars,” McCain said, adding that he opposed abortion except in cases of rape and incest. He was then asked how he would determine whether someone had in fact been raped. McCain responded, “I think that I would give the benefit of the doubt to the person who alleges that.”
    Source: New York Times, p. A17 Jan 25, 2000

    Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity
    McCain was asked how he could be anti-abortion and still vote to support fetal tissue research. He supports fetal-tissue research, McCain said, because it has helped make progress against Parkinson’s disease. McCain concluded that abortion rights and anti-abortion activists should cooperate on issues of foster care and adoption. He had made his decision on abortion, he said, “after a lot of study, consultation, and a lot of prayer.” He added, “I’d like to have less intensity on this issue.”
    Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

    Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions
    McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.
    Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

    Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion
    Q: Should Republicans encourage pro-choice voters to support their candidates?
    A: We must begin a dialogue and a discussion on the issue of abortion. Both pro-life & pro-choice people believe very strongly that we need to eliminate abortion. I and my wife, Cindy, are proud adoptive parents. We need to encourage adoption in America. We need to improve foster care dramatically. We can work together. We can have respectful disagreements on specific issues, and we can work together on this one.
    Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999

    Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it
    McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” A spokesman said that McCain “has a 17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president.”
    Source: Ron Fournier, Associated Press Aug 24, 1999

    Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing
    In a letter to the National Right to Life Committee, McCain detailed a long anti-abortion record, including his sponsorship of the effort to overturn President Clinton’s veto of a bill banning late-term procedures called “partial birth” abortions. He also has opposed public financing of abortions, except in cases of rape, incest or a threat to the mother’s life.
    Source: Ron Fournier, Associated Press Aug 24, 1999

    Nominate justices based on experience, and values
    On the issue of nominating Supreme Court justices based on an abortion litmus-test, “McCain has said that he will nominate justices based on their experience, and those who share his values,” said a spokesman.
    Source: Associated Press Jun 14, 1999

    Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding
    McCain supports the following statements:
    Abortions should be legal only when the pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.
    Prohibit the late-term abortion procedure known as “partial-birth” abortion.
    Prohibit public funding of abortions and public funding of organizations that advocate or perform abortions.
    Source: Project Vote Smart, 1998, www.vote-smart.org Jul 2, 1998

    Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime.
    Bill would make it a criminal offense to harm or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. The measure would set criminal penalties, the same as those that would apply if harm or death happened to the pregnant woman, for those who harm a fetus. It is not required that the individual have prior knowledge of the pregnancy or intent to harm the fetus. This bill prohibits the death penalty from being imposed for such an offense. The bill states that its provisions should not be interpreted to apply a woman's actions with respect to her pregnancy.
    Reference: Unborn Victims of Violence Act; Bill S.1019/HR.1997 ; vote number 2004-63 on Mar 25, 2004

    Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
    S. 3 As Amended; Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.
    Bill S.3 ; vote number 2003-51 on Mar 12, 2003

    Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.
    Vote on a motion to table [kill] an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.
    Bill S 2549 ; vote number 2000-134 on Jun 20, 2000

    Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions.
    This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion. [A NO vote supports abortion rights].
    Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3
    Reference: Partial Birth Abortion Ban; Bill S. 1692 ; vote number 1999-340 on Oct 21, 1999

    Voted YES on disallowing overseas military abortions.
    The Murray amdt would have repealed current laws prohibiting overseas U.S. military hospitals and medical facilities from performing privately funded abortions for U.S. service members and their dependents.
    Status: Motion to Table Agreed to Y)51; N)49
    Reference: Motion to table Murray Amdt #397; Bill S. 1059 ; vote number 1999-148 on May 26, 1999

    Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record.
    McCain scores 0% by NARAL on pro-choice voting record
    For over thirty years, NARAL Pro-Choice America has been the political arm of the pro-choice movement and a strong advocate of reproductive freedom and choice. NARAL Pro-Choice America's mission is to protect and preserve the right to choose while promoting policies and programs that improve women's health and make abortion less necessary. NARAL Pro-Choice America works to educate Americans and officeholders about reproductive rights and health issues and elect pro-choice candidates at all levels of government. The NARAL ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.

    Source: NARAL website 03n-NARAL on Dec 31, 2003
    http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Joh...n_Abortion.htm

    I still don't understand how somebody as smart and knowlagable of politics could be so wrong about this. It's almost like somebody was lying to you and you were believing them.

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  • role model
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    Originally posted by StereoType
    Robertson is an idiot. I would rather listen to Air America than watch that 700 club shit.
    Falwell is not that bad. He has said some dumb stuff in the past though.

    I don't like either... They're bad guys, crazy zealots that praise god for the deaths of others. Bad guys, buddy, bad guys... Can't support em'.

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  • reservoirGod
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    Originally posted by StereoType
    No, I think I supported Bush. But I thought McCain was pro-choice and all of that back then, now I know he is not.
    Originally posted by reservoirGod
    Why would you have thought that?
    You never answered me... McCain has had a 0% rating from NARAL since the begining of time. What would he had to do to get were support in '00... blow up a clinic?

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  • revdaalkaholik
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    fuck,i'd vote 4 anybody but kerry,he's an idiot and just cuz u like black people doesn't make me wanna vote 4 you.

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  • reservoirGod
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    Originally posted by StereoType
    Robertson is an idiot. I would rather listen to Air America than watch that 700 club shit.
    Falwell is not that bad. He has said some dumb stuff in the past though.
    The Blame America Firsters, from the 700 Club on 9/13/01 (when people were still searching for their love one's at Ground Zero).
    JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way--all of them who have tried to secularize America--I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

    PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.

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  • StereoType
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    Originally posted by NyTe^CRaWLeR
    well actually after the last election of me voting for Kerry i've seriously givin up on politicians who care more about winning rather than standing up for somethin they really believe in. im not gonna support a candidate who tries to cypher votes from republican base. that motherfucker shouldve went after the 70 million people who didnt vote.
    i want somebody who's gonna believe in what i believe in and win or lose, will carry that message strong all the way to the finish. i was a big fan of al sharpton and would've supported him 100%, but he couldnt even get on the ohio ballot during the primaries. im gonna vote for principle NOT a chance of winning. i figure after the 04 election, after taking a loss like that, what i regretted most was putting faith in a party who put up these rich puppets on tv that didnt represent me or my views, all because i thought they were doin that to win. but obviously it backfired...
    "i rather live paralyzed than to die runnin"
    -Royce Nickel Nine
    Yeah, I never could figure out why so many Democrats changed from Dean to Kerry during the primaries. While I disagree with Dean a lot, at least he had a clear agenda and stood for something. I knew Kerry would not win because he was too wishy-washy to become President.

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  • NyTe^CRaWLeR
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    Originally posted by StereoType
    lol. You attack Republicans yet just help us out by voting Nadar. Nadar voters are such morons.

    well actually after the last election of me voting for Kerry i've seriously givin up on politicians who care more about winning rather than standing up for somethin they really believe in. im not gonna support a candidate who tries to cypher votes from republican base. that motherfucker shouldve went after the 70 million people who didnt vote.

    i want somebody who's gonna believe in what i believe in and win or lose, will carry that message strong all the way to the finish. i was a big fan of al sharpton and would've supported him 100%, but he couldnt even get on the ohio ballot during the primaries. im gonna vote for principle NOT a chance of winning. i figure after the 04 election, after taking a loss like that, what i regretted most was putting faith in a party who put up these rich puppets on tv that didnt represent me or my views, all because i thought they were doin that to win. but obviously it backfired...



    "i rather live paralyzed than to die runnin"
    -Royce Nickel Nine

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  • role model
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    Originally posted by ethan20
    edwards came to my school last week

    Really? I would've gone and seen him, I like Edwards...

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  • Gators05
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    Rudy Gulianni if he would run

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