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  • Originally posted by McWannaBe View Post
    No, I'm telling you professors from Yale, Berkley, UCLA, etc have
    a decent amount of authority on the subject. But of course the professor
    of mathematics would be the most notable for you. A self esteem booster
    i suppose. Its ok to be wrong. It happens.
    Christianity isnt complete ignorance lol. Its not a bunch of made up
    fairy tales, like a religion made out of disney stories.
    The Universities of the people backing my arguement are far more pronounced and plentiful. I guarantee if it was possible to calculate the numbers of University professors which agree with the science behind evolution the list would not fit on a second rate PDF file such as the one you have provided, and all would be specialists in the field. Just becaue you can produce a list of ordinary people that do not believe in something, does not mean you have proof or logical grounding in your arguement. Evolution exists. I showed you proof in my post, and you completely ignored the facts and stated you believe a mathematic professor know more than a geologist or archaeologist which is blasphemy in the face of logic. That is like asking a Muslim cleric for facts about Mary and Joseph. Illogical.
    One convienient location...... somewhere in Africa.

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    • I think of myself as kind of a Diest.

      I believe in a god that created the universe, but I don't know to what degree he controls it.

      I was big into hinduism, but there's a lot I can't believe in. So I really don't have a religion. But I know I'll never subscribe to any of the Abrahamic faiths.
      *********

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      • I still don't get why people think a God created the Earth?
        I just don't see a reason for it.
        "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."
        - Kurt Vonnegut

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        • Originally posted by Dublo7 View Post
          I still don't get why people think a God created the Earth?
          I just don't see a reason for it.

          In my opinion everything is just too perfect ot have not been created by something greater than us.

          Besides, we really don't know dick beyond our own planet. There's billions of lightyears of things out there we don't even know about. Who's to say there's no possibility that something created us?
          *********

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          • Originally posted by role model View Post
            In my opinion everything is just too perfect ot have not been created by something greater than us.
            Besides, we really don't know dick beyond our own planet. There's billions of lightyears of things out there we don't even know about. Who's to say there's no possibility that something created us?
            That's just because we have limited technology.
            As technology advances, science advances along with it, and we learn more and more.
            I do see what you're saying, but who knows? In a few hundred years (if humans are still around), we'll know an amazing amount more than we do now.

            Also, I wouldn't say anything is exactly perfect. The human body alone isn't perfect. We have approximately 97% DNA that just sits there and gets spliced out while other sections of DNA code for proteins. It's non coding DNA (or junk DNA). Why is it there? We have no idea yet.
            You'd think if we were perfect everything in our bodies would be useful and have a reason.
            Last edited by Dublo7; 02-23-2007, 10:28 PM.
            "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."
            - Kurt Vonnegut

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            • Originally posted by role model View Post
              In my opinion everything is just too perfect ot have not been created by something greater than us.
              If you take into account the billions of galaxies that exist with their own stars and planets what happened on Earth was bound to happen EVENTUALLY. It's basic probability. It's like if you played the lottery everyday for billions of years. You're bound to eventually win. Also, everything isn't perfect it's just that we adapted to the world how it was. It's far from perfect we just evolve to better live with the imperfections.

              Besides, we really don't know dick beyond our own planet. There's billions of lightyears of things out there we don't even know about. Who's to say there's no possibility that something created us?
              Because it suffers from the first cause paradox. If something created us who created that thing and so on and so on. I believe something caused everything to be but I believe the answer will be included within the same realm as all nature. Why shouldn't we think that? Name one time when natural causes weren't the culprit behind something unexplained.

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              • The problem I have with things being "too perfect" is the fact that we live in only one Universe. We haven't seen other instances of what a 'totally random' universe might look like. So how can we say what's likely and what's not? We come into a world and we find things a certain way, in what way could you classify it as perfect or imperfect.... or likely or unlikely? We've had one experience to draw from, and this is the way it was. Where to the 'odds' come from? Sure, some great genetic mutations have happened over the years. Creating things like the eye. And you could say that to create the eye the way it is, it would take WAY too many random mutations to be expected to happen in any reasonable amount of time. But I think that's only if you are assuming that the universe is teleological; ie. that it is working toward a certain predestined idea... there are billions of other possible ways to make an eye I'm sure... and I'm sure there are other sense organs that are possible but we haven't developed. I think it's plausible to say that we ended up like we are now, it could've been much different yes, but it doesn't prove anything one way or the other. in my own opinion. There is no way of proving God doesn't exist, and if you don't believe in him, then you are trying to prove that something that never existed... doesn't exist. So what are you doing? I don't think there is necessarily a 'proof' for that... Not strictly within the confines of logic. So you can only argue with the aim of convincing the other, not disproving them (unless they make a scientific claim). Anyway that's incredibly dry maybe, I just kinda typed what I thought...

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                • Originally posted by gdillinjah View Post
                  I showed you proof in my post, and you completely ignored the facts and stated you believe a mathematic professor know more than a geologist or archaeologist which is blasphemy in the face of logic. That is like asking a Muslim cleric for facts about Mary and Joseph. Illogical.
                  Haha. Yes, the mathematics professor is the ONLY person on that list. All
                  those other names from highly respected schools must be decorations
                  or something to highlight that one mathematics professor.

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