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  • McWannaBe
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    Originally posted by gdillinjah View Post
    I showed you proof in my post, and you completely ignored the facts and stated you believe a mathematic professor know more than a geologist or archaeologist which is blasphemy in the face of logic. That is like asking a Muslim cleric for facts about Mary and Joseph. Illogical.
    Haha. Yes, the mathematics professor is the ONLY person on that list. All
    those other names from highly respected schools must be decorations
    or something to highlight that one mathematics professor.

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  • SlamboS
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    The problem I have with things being "too perfect" is the fact that we live in only one Universe. We haven't seen other instances of what a 'totally random' universe might look like. So how can we say what's likely and what's not? We come into a world and we find things a certain way, in what way could you classify it as perfect or imperfect.... or likely or unlikely? We've had one experience to draw from, and this is the way it was. Where to the 'odds' come from? Sure, some great genetic mutations have happened over the years. Creating things like the eye. And you could say that to create the eye the way it is, it would take WAY too many random mutations to be expected to happen in any reasonable amount of time. But I think that's only if you are assuming that the universe is teleological; ie. that it is working toward a certain predestined idea... there are billions of other possible ways to make an eye I'm sure... and I'm sure there are other sense organs that are possible but we haven't developed. I think it's plausible to say that we ended up like we are now, it could've been much different yes, but it doesn't prove anything one way or the other. in my own opinion. There is no way of proving God doesn't exist, and if you don't believe in him, then you are trying to prove that something that never existed... doesn't exist. So what are you doing? I don't think there is necessarily a 'proof' for that... Not strictly within the confines of logic. So you can only argue with the aim of convincing the other, not disproving them (unless they make a scientific claim). Anyway that's incredibly dry maybe, I just kinda typed what I thought...

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  • PlasticSturgeon
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    Originally posted by role model View Post
    In my opinion everything is just too perfect ot have not been created by something greater than us.
    If you take into account the billions of galaxies that exist with their own stars and planets what happened on Earth was bound to happen EVENTUALLY. It's basic probability. It's like if you played the lottery everyday for billions of years. You're bound to eventually win. Also, everything isn't perfect it's just that we adapted to the world how it was. It's far from perfect we just evolve to better live with the imperfections.

    Besides, we really don't know dick beyond our own planet. There's billions of lightyears of things out there we don't even know about. Who's to say there's no possibility that something created us?
    Because it suffers from the first cause paradox. If something created us who created that thing and so on and so on. I believe something caused everything to be but I believe the answer will be included within the same realm as all nature. Why shouldn't we think that? Name one time when natural causes weren't the culprit behind something unexplained.

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  • Dublo7
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    Originally posted by role model View Post
    In my opinion everything is just too perfect ot have not been created by something greater than us.
    Besides, we really don't know dick beyond our own planet. There's billions of lightyears of things out there we don't even know about. Who's to say there's no possibility that something created us?
    That's just because we have limited technology.
    As technology advances, science advances along with it, and we learn more and more.
    I do see what you're saying, but who knows? In a few hundred years (if humans are still around), we'll know an amazing amount more than we do now.

    Also, I wouldn't say anything is exactly perfect. The human body alone isn't perfect. We have approximately 97% DNA that just sits there and gets spliced out while other sections of DNA code for proteins. It's non coding DNA (or junk DNA). Why is it there? We have no idea yet.
    You'd think if we were perfect everything in our bodies would be useful and have a reason.
    Last edited by Dublo7; 02-23-2007, 10:28 PM.

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  • role model
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    Originally posted by Dublo7 View Post
    I still don't get why people think a God created the Earth?
    I just don't see a reason for it.

    In my opinion everything is just too perfect ot have not been created by something greater than us.

    Besides, we really don't know dick beyond our own planet. There's billions of lightyears of things out there we don't even know about. Who's to say there's no possibility that something created us?

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  • Dublo7
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    I still don't get why people think a God created the Earth?
    I just don't see a reason for it.

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  • role model
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    I think of myself as kind of a Diest.

    I believe in a god that created the universe, but I don't know to what degree he controls it.

    I was big into hinduism, but there's a lot I can't believe in. So I really don't have a religion. But I know I'll never subscribe to any of the Abrahamic faiths.

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  • gdillinjah
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    Originally posted by McWannaBe View Post
    No, I'm telling you professors from Yale, Berkley, UCLA, etc have
    a decent amount of authority on the subject. But of course the professor
    of mathematics would be the most notable for you. A self esteem booster
    i suppose. Its ok to be wrong. It happens.
    Christianity isnt complete ignorance lol. Its not a bunch of made up
    fairy tales, like a religion made out of disney stories.
    The Universities of the people backing my arguement are far more pronounced and plentiful. I guarantee if it was possible to calculate the numbers of University professors which agree with the science behind evolution the list would not fit on a second rate PDF file such as the one you have provided, and all would be specialists in the field. Just becaue you can produce a list of ordinary people that do not believe in something, does not mean you have proof or logical grounding in your arguement. Evolution exists. I showed you proof in my post, and you completely ignored the facts and stated you believe a mathematic professor know more than a geologist or archaeologist which is blasphemy in the face of logic. That is like asking a Muslim cleric for facts about Mary and Joseph. Illogical.

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  • gdillinjah
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    Originally posted by McWannaBe View Post
    Its called sarcasm. But whatever makes you feel better.
    Q - So...animals are all evolved forms pretty much right?
    A - Yup
    Q - So...have any proof?
    A - Yes. Theres connections between us and monkeys
    Q - No, I asked for proof. What can be shown today as a clear
    representation of evolution?
    A - Nothing because it takes thousands of years for it to occur.
    Thats the only statement that evolution thrives on. You ASSUME
    that it takes thousands of years to occur. Animal A and B have
    similar traits, so therefore you think that they evolved a long time
    ago.

    I think you have confused faith, proof and logic. There is proof. How could there be other species of man proven to exist without evolution. The Bible does not address the existance of Hobbits in Indonesia http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...2_hobbits.html or Neanderthals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal or any other species of man known to exist. But evolution explains this flawlessly with this being the direct subject of Darwinisim.

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  • Kegz
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    Nice posts Plastic, your killin it.

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  • TheMan
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    lol&why was she banned?

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  • PlasticSturgeon
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    Originally posted by McWannaBe View Post
    Its called sarcasm. But whatever makes you feel better.
    Q - So...animals are all evolved forms pretty much right?
    A - Yup
    Q - So...have any proof?
    A - Yes. Theres connections between us and monkeys
    Q - No, I asked for proof. What can be shown today as a clear
    representation of evolution?
    A - Nothing because it takes thousands of years for it to occur.
    Thats the only statement that evolution thrives on. You ASSUME
    that it takes thousands of years to occur. Animal A and B have
    similar traits, so therefore you think that they evolved a long time
    ago.
    Transitional fossils are the proof that evolution exists and took thousands of years to occur. Let me explain how this is proof:

    Let's say we take all the fossils we've ever uncovered and order them sequentially by time period. In group A we have all the fossils of creatures that existed 145 million years ago. In group A we find no human remains. We continue making new groups for every time period and eventually we find the first humans in say, group P, which is fossils from 200,000 years ago. How could an organism that didn't exist in group A suddenly come into existence in group P? So we ponder this and backtrack from group P back to group A. In doing so, we notice that a slow transition occurred in the ape kingdom. The ape remains underwent changes over time that made them more and more human like in structure until we arrive at the existence of humans. That's a perfectly logical explanation as to why humans weren't in group A but suddenly were in group P.

    Imagine you plant a seed and take a picture. You then take a picture every day until a flower has formed. Now someone who thinks like you do about evolution comes up and says "what's your proof that that seed turned into that flower and took several days to occur". You show them all the pictures showing the flower start from a small seed and growing into the flower. They then say "that's not proof". Who do you think has a more credible argument here?

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  • FowlMouf
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    If you look rationally from what we know with science. DNA is the only way you could fit all the animals into the Ark. The bible is also metaphoric and meant to be understood correctly when we can take all the mysticism out of it.

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  • Drunk Monkey
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    I heard in my Ancient World university class it is speculated Abraham came from Mesopotamia, from the Sumerian land...

    That's how all these oral stories passed from generation to generation.

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  • ballisticz
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    Originally posted by FowlMouf View Post
    The Sumarians talked about the Anunnaki which were being from the sky. The Sumerian flood is the flood talked about in the Bible.
    This is true.. the Noahs Ark story in Sumerian Mythology isn't as far fetched as the Bible either, it talked about storing animal DNA, not the actual animals

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