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    Price of Next Big Thing in Physics: $6.7 Billion

    The price of exploring inner space went up today.

    At a news conference in Beijing an international consortium of physicists released the first detailed design of what they believe will be the Next Big Thing in physics: a machine 20 miles long that will slam together electrons and their evil-twin opposites, positrons, to produce fireballs of energy recreating conditions when the universe was only a trillionth of a second old.

    It would cost about $6.7 billion and 13,000 person-years of labor to build the machine, the group reported. And that does not include the cafeteria and parking.

    “The good thing is that we have developed a design that can address the challenging physics goals and meet the technical requirements, and we have worked very hard to cost-optimize it, yet it (not surprisingly) does remain expensive,” Barry Barish, a physics professor at the California Institute of Technology and chair of the design team, which includes 60 scientists from around the world, said in an e-mail interview before the announcement.

    The location of today’s announcement, at the Institute for High Energy Physics in Beijing, underscores the growing role and ambition of Asia, particularly Japan and China, to become major players in high-energy physics, a field that has been dominated by the United States and Europe in the last century.

    In its initial phase the collider would be 31 kilometers (20 miles) long and hurl electrons and positrons, their antimatter opposites, together with energies of 500 billion electron volts. Later the collider could be extended to 50 kilometers (31 miles) and a trillion electron volts.

    The proposed machine, physicists say, is needed to complement to the Large Hadron Collider now under construction at the European Center for Nuclear Research, CERN, outside Geneva. That machine will be the world’s most powerful when it goes into operation this fall, eventually colliding beams of protons with 7 trillion electron volts of energy apiece. Physicists hope that using it they will detect a long-sought particle known as the Higgs boson, which is thought to endow all the other constituents of nature with mass. They hope, too, to discover new laws and forms of matter.

    But protons are bags of smaller particles called quarks and gluons, and their collisions tend to be messy and wasteful. Because electrons and positrons have no innards, their collisions are cleaner, so they can be used to create and study with precision whatever new particles are found at CERN.

    The hitch is that until the hadron collider proves its worth by actually finding something new, the governments of the world are unlikely to sign on to contribute a share of the billions.

    Particle accelerators derive their punch from Einstein’s equation of mass and energy. The more energy they can pack into their little fireballs, the farther back in time they can go, closer and closer to the Big Bang and perhaps ultimate truth about nature, recreating particles and laws that once ruled the cosmos, but have since vanished more completely than the dinosaurs. But as physicists have pushed inward and backward, their machines have gotten bigger and more expensive. Competitions between universities and laboratories turned into races between countries and then continents.

    The Large Hadron Collider cost about 4.7 billion Swiss Francs, or 3 billion Euros, according to CERN. But that does not include the cost of digging the collider’s 18-mile-circumference tunnel, which had been used for a previous machine, nor most of the above-ground CERN complex, which has been a world center of particle physics for decades.

    A competitive proton collider that would have been even bigger, the Superconducting SuperCollider, was canceled by Congress in 1993. At the time its estimated cost had ballooned to $10.3 billion in 2007 dollars, according to Robin Staffin, associate director for high energy physics at the Department of Energy.

    The International Linear Collider collaboration, led by a steering group chaired by Shin-ichi Kurokawa, of Japan’s High Energy Accelerator Research Organization, or KEK, consists of 1,000 scientists and engineers from 100 countries.

    Physicists acknowledge it could be years before the world commits to building the ILC, although jockeying for the costly privilege of hosting the giant machine has already begun. For its purposes, the committee priced three different sites: near CERN in Switzerland, at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Ill, and in the mountains of Japan, and found that the so-called site-specific costs, like digging tunnels and shafts and supplying water and electricity, were nearly the same in each case, about $1.8 billion.

    The host country would be expected to shoulder these costs, the design collaboration said, while the remaining $4.9 billion, which covers high-tech things like magnets and control rooms, would be split among all the participants. Extras like auditoriums, cafeterias and living space for scientists were not included in the cost estimate, since at some places like Fermilab they already exist.

    One unusual twist to the design, said Dr. Barish, is that the tunnels, rather than being laser straight through the ground, would curve with the Earth. “It isn’t obvious and it took us a while to demonstrate that we could actually design a machine that bends” he said, but that feature would allow the digging to stay within the same geologic layers and prevent liquid cryogenics from wanting to flow “downhill” from one part of the tunnel to another.

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  • #2
    i hope that after this machine has been built, and they've successfully collided electrons and positrons, a huge sign will appear saying 'LEVEL 2'.

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    • #3
      The universe, not the Earth. Anyway, I really don't get the point of this...
      "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle

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      • #4
        ^ It will recreate conditions to that of when the Universe was only a trillionth of a second old. Just think of what we will be able to learn from this.

        Good read, thanks.





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        • #5
          very interesting. hopefully they get this rolling within my lifetime.

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          • #6
            its all about creating new energy isnt it? no im too tired to read it all...
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            is paul wall really that good? i dont listen to his stuff because his face is kinda weird
            lmao

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            • #7
              Originally posted by soul_SEEK View Post
              ^ It will recreate conditions to that of when the Universe was only a trillionth of a second old. Just think of what we will be able to learn from this.

              Good read, thanks.
              Sounds cool as fuck. Thanx for the read.
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              • #8
                Holy fuck humans are ambitious.

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                • #9
                  Particle accelerators derive their punch from Einstein’s equation of mass and energy. The more energy they can pack into their little fireballs, the farther back in time they can go, closer and closer to the Big Bang and perhaps ultimate truth about nature
                  Well, it's more like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle rather than Einstein's Relativity.

                  I hope this will vindicate Alain Connes non-commutative geometry and not superstring theory....
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by masta-t View Post
                    its all about creating new energy isnt it? no im too tired to read it all...
                    After reading it, I thought the same thing. I wonder if, on the side, they are researching ways to turn this energy into a form we as humans can use in everyday life.

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                    • #11
                      I didn't read all of the article, but is this machine actually going to be funded? and by whom?
                      Rep me for good karma....
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                      Record sales don't really measure the bigness or magnitude of the person.

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                      • #12
                        Do they not think it's possible that these "conditions" as they call them could be fatally powerful?
                        Syxen





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                        • #13
                          I think this is too big to actually do... I think it could seriously screw everything up.

                          ***EDIT: Agree with I_am_Demik
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                          • #14
                            Word. LOL Imagine if thi sshit blew up the earth? 1/trillionth of a second could do harm?

                            Also it said it'd be iready in 13 000 years hahaha
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Deceiva View Post
                              Word. LOL Imagine if thi sshit blew up the earth? 1/trillionth of a second could do harm?

                              Also it said it'd be iready in 13 000 years hahaha
                              ^^^^13,000 man years. I.E. a team of 650 people could have this built in 20 years. 1300 people have it built in 10 years, 2600 people have it ready in 5 years, and so on.

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