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    this is actually happening right now...american soldiers are going to bring down a statue of saddaam hussein to show that they took over the capital...it's really pathetic and it's being shown on every major news station which makes it more annoying...


    ----this is from yahoo...also a recap of recent events...

    Iraqis Celebrate As U.S. Takes Baghdad


    By ELLEN KNICKMEYER and DAVID CRARY, Associated Press Writers

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s rule over the capital has ended, U.S. commanders declared Wednesday, and jubilant crowds swarmed into the streets here, dancing, looting, cheering U.S. convoys and defacing images of the Iraqi leader.

    "The capital city is now one of those areas that has been added to the list of where the regime does not have control," said Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks at U.S. Central Command in Qatar.


    Brooks said that Saddam loyalists were holding out in the north, notably at Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, and still posed a threat, including the possible use of weapons of mass destruction


    Even as they encountered sniper fire from roving bands of holdout fighters, Marine and Army units swept through Baghdad, seizing or destroying buildings that once housed some of Saddam's most feared security forces. Marine tanks rolled into the heart of the city, on the east bank of the Tigris, greeted by people clapping and waving white flags.


    Civilians gestured to the Americans with V-for-victory signs. "We were nearly mobbed by people trying to shake our hands," said Maj. Andy Milburn of the 7th Marines. One Army contingent had to use razor-wire to hold back surging crowds of well-wishers.


    At police stations, universities, government ministries, the headquarters of the Iraq (news - web sites) Olympic Committee, looters unhindered by any police presence made off with computers, furniture, telephones, even military jeeps. One young man used roller skates to wheel away a refrigerator.


    "Thank you, thank you, Mr. Bush," some of the looters shouted. An elderly man beat a portrait of Saddam with his shoe, while a younger man spat on the portrait.


    Not everyone rejoiced.


    "This is the destruction of Islam," said Qassim al-Shamari, 50, a laborer wearing an Arab robe. "After all, Iraq is our country. And what about all the women and children who died in the bombing?"


    Even as most of the populace seemed suddenly to feel free of Saddam's control, U.S. officers said their forces faced continued resistance, fierce but disorganized, from small groups of holdout pro-Saddam fighters. The U.S Central Command reacted cautiously to the euphoria and chaos in Baghdad.


    "The regime has lost control in most parts of Iraq," said command spokesman Jim Wilkinson. "There are places up north where they have significant pockets ... so we'll continue to go where those pockets are and reduce them. It'll just take time to find those pockets and destroy them and hopefully they'll surrender."


    U.S. commanders focused attention on Tikrit, still a stronghold of loyalist troops, and the northern city of Mosul. Lt. Mark Kitchens, a Central Command spokesman, said special operations forces and airstrikes were "actively engaging" Iraqi forces in both cities.


    U.S. special forces and Kurdish fighters seized a strategic hilltop near Mosul; senior Kurdish leader Hoshyar Zebari called it the most important gain in the region thus far.


    The fate of Saddam remained unknown. U.S. experts have yet to gain access to the site in an upscale Baghdad neighborhood that was targeted by four 2,000-pound bombs in a U.S. strike aimed at killing him.


    Elsewhere in the capital, U.S. forces steadily expanded their reach, securing a military airport, capturing a prison, setting fire to a Republican Guard barracks. Milburn said the house of Saddam's son Odai was on fire, apparently hit by a bomb.


    The Iraqi government's efforts to sustain its public relations campaign collapsed. State television went off the air Tuesday, and on Wednesday, foreign journalists said their "minders" government agents who monitor their reporting did not turn up for work. There was no sign of Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, whose daily briefings had constituted the main public face of the regime during the war.


    While intent on consolidating their hold on Baghdad, U.S. commanders also were turning their attention to Tikrit, Saddam's hometown in the desert about 90 miles to the north. Defended by well-trained troops, and home to many of Saddam's most devoted followers, the city of 260,000 is considered one of the few remaining strongholds of the Iraqi regime.


    Map of Baghdad




    The Central Command said coalition airstrikes were targeting the Republican Guard's Adnan division in Tikrit, "shaping the battlefield" before U.S. ground forces move in. Brooks said Iraqi reinforcements were reaching Tikrit, apparently after retreating from positions to the north and south.

    The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of two main Iraqi Kurdish groups opposing Saddam, claimed Tuesday that Saddam already was hiding in Tikrit. U.S. officials said they didn't know if he had escaped Monday's bombing of a site in Baghdad's al-Mansour neighborhood where he and at least one of his sons reportedly were meeting.

    The toll of journalists killed in the war reached 10, with three killed in U.S. military strikes in Baghdad on Tuesday

    Two cameramen, one from Ukraine and one from Spain, were killed when a U.S. tank fired into the Palestine Hotel, where hundreds of journalists are based. U.S. officers initially said hostile fire had been coming from the building; journalists said they witnessed none.

    Also, a Jordanian reporter was killed in a U.S. airstrike on the Baghdad office of the Arab television network al-Jazeera, which contended the attack was deliberate.

    On Wednesday, the U.S. branch of Amnesty International joined in the criticism.

    "Unless the U.S. can demonstrate that the Palestine Hotel had been used for military purposes, it was a civilian object protected under international humanitarian law that should not have been attacked," Amnesty said.

    In the southern city of Basra, which was taken over by British forces this week, looters have been plundering government buildings, universities, even hospitals. A Red Cross representative said the looting could delay relief efforts in the city of 1.3 million.

    ___

    Editor's Note: This story was written by David Crary in New York, based on reporting from Ellen Knickmeyer, Ravi Nessman, Chris Tomlinson, Alex Zavis and Hamza Hendawi in Baghdad and other AP reporters in Iraq and elsewhere.

  • #2
    wait til the nukes kick in...

    iraq : "all our invaders will die here"

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    • #3
      if it's so pathetic why are all those people waving american flags and posters? maybe you wern't watching it was the iraqi people who were trying to tear the statue down, the couldnt pull it down with a rope, so they started taking turns chipping away at the cement with a hammer....a u.s. tank came along and mereley helped them to do what they wanted, now the people are jumping up and down on the statue.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by swampgremlin
        if it's so pathetic why are all those people waving american flags and posters? maybe you wern't watching it was the iraqi people who were trying to tear the statue down, the couldnt pull it down with a rope, so they started taking turns chipping away at the cement with a hammer....a u.s. tank came along and mereley helped them to do what they wanted, now the people are jumping up and down on the statue.

        they represent a sample of the Iraqi population...just cause they are happy, does that mean that the rest of Iraq is happy??? and it is pathetic because this is the way America has been working since the days of the "forefathers"...go somewhere, instigate, take over, implement a government to have a stong influence in the region= imperialism...
        Last edited by Tone Riggz; 04-09-2003, 08:29 AM.

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        • #5
          I seriously gotta take a second to laugh at all the people on this board that said we were fucked up, turn on cnn and judge for yourself, THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ LOVE AMERICA
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          • #6
            Yeah maybe some of the iraqian people are happy with this war and shit, but Tone riggz is right! In a finish news paper this morning there was a picture, where american soldiers took down pictures of Hussein in one of his palaces! Prolly because they have a symbolical meaning and americans can't stand it!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by swampgremlin
              turn on cnn and judge for yourself
              the opposition will say "turn on Al Jazeera TV and judge for yourself"

              its all bias

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              • #8
                Imperialism my ass... If there was a dictator in some country who murdered his own people and supported terrorists that would kill American's without hesitation, would you want them out of power? Of course. That's why Iraq is going down. Seriously, whats with the anti-American sentiment? HOLLA
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by topdoggkyle
                  Imperialism my ass... If there was a dictator in some country who murdered his own people and supported terrorists that would kill American's without hesitation, would you want them out of power?
                  do you know for certain that Iraq is affiliated with a terrorist organization, or does CNN tell you so?...in that case, we might as well take down the American government, because the way America works is: give weapons to a group, and then fight them back when they don't listen to our interests (Iraq, Dominican Republic, etc.)...Isn't Bush killing his own people? Sending them to war to secure oil fields and put in a government?

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                  • #10
                    alright i'm not arguing about anymore war shit, LETS SETTLE THIS SHIT WITH A KEG STAND COMPETITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                    • #11
                      Cnn's news feed if from Al arabiya so its still arabic news
                      Got to keep repeating that the journalists were kicked out weeks ago
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                      ^this is stupid .

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                      • #12
                        yea CNN is feeding off of Abu Dhabi TV or sum sh*t so its what that arabian cameramanm decides to show. Anyways how do you know that tha majority if tha Iraqi population doesnt feel tha same as tha people in tha streets in happiness and joy. Maybe a lot of tha Iraqi people were still afraid to show their happiness untill they were 110% sure Saddam was over with. Remember in tha early 90's Saddam put hundreds of thousands of people to death because of their uprising after tha Gulf War. If I put myself into tha Iraqi's people shoe's I see no benefit in having Saddam as tha ruler. Also Detroit has tha largest Iraqi-American population in tha U.S. Many of these left Iraq because of Saddam. I know a lot of these people and I get first hand accounts of how much they hate and despise Saddam. Ask rev, richie or anyone from Michigan...they'll let you know that these people hate Saddam.


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                        • #13
                          From the reports of the families in the hospitals ,Or the reports of the thousands of iraqis that were coming back into the city to fight against the coalition
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                          ^this is stupid .

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                          • #14
                            First of all, you say America has been like this since we started. That's not true. We were actually very neutral (we didn't enter a war without being attacked until World War I). We have stated and will stick our resolution to let Iraq govern themselves after we secure it. The Iraqi people will run iraq and over time we will get out of there (so much for people saying we wanted to occupy them and take their oil).

                            Second of all, Saddam has killed 10s of thousands of Iraqi Kurds in Northern Iraq (and probably more than that). He turned a once powerful nation into a poor and damaged one. He has tried to invade other countries to take THEIR oil. Saddam is truly a terrible dictator and there is no reason for the people NOT to celebrate. I know 3 Iraqi-Americans and all of them REALLY support this war.

                            Third, we HAVE found what we think are chemical weapons, we've found tortured and mangled corpses and more in Iraq. The reasons everyone disputed us on have been proven to be wrong.


                            So, no... America doesn't take pride in imperialism. We take pride in seeing Iraqis tearing down Saddam's statue. We take pride in seeing them wave American flags on the day they are finally released from Saddam's power. We take pride in doing the RIGHT thing. God Bless America.

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                            • #15
                              Slambos probably knows quite a few iraqi-americans too. So..do you think they are glad that Saddam's regime has fallen?


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