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  • We got him: Kurds say they caught Saddam

    Sydney Morning Herald

    Washington's claims that brilliant US intelligence work led to the capture of Saddam Hussein are being challenged by reports sourced in Iraq's Kurdish media claiming that its militia set the circumstances in which the US merely had to go to a farm identified by the Kurds to bag the fugitive former president.

    The first media account of the December 13 arrest was aired by a Tehran-based news agency.

    American forces took Saddam into custody around 8.30pm local time, but sat on the news until 3pm the next day.

    However, in the early hours of Sunday, a Kurdish language wire service reported explicitly: "Saddam Hussein was captured by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. A special intelligence unit led by Qusrat Rasul Ali, a high-ranking member of the PUK, found Saddam Hussein in the city of Tikrit, his birthplace.

    "Qusrat's team was accompanied by a group of US soldiers. Further details of the capture will emerge during the day; but the global Kurdish party is about to begin!"

    The head of the PUK, Jalal Talabani, was in the Iranian capital en route to Europe.

    The Western media in Baghdad were electrified by the Iranian agency's revelation, but as reports of the arrest built, they relied almost exclusively on accounts from US military and intelligence organisations, starting with the words of the US-appointed administrator of Iraq, Paul Bremer: "Ladies and gentlemen: we got 'im".

    US officials said that they had extracted the vital piece of information on Saddam's whereabouts from one of the 20 suspects around 5.30pm on December 13 and had immediately assembled a 600-strong force to surround the farm on which he was captured at al-Dwar, south of Tikrit.

    Little attention was paid to a line in Pentagon briefings that some of the Kurdish militia might have been in on what was described as a "joint operation"; or to a statement by Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraq National Congress, which said that Qusrat and his PUK forces had provided vital information and more.

    A Scottish newspaper, the Sunday Herald, quoted from an interview aired on the PUK's al-Hurriyah radio station last Wednesday, in which Adil Murad, a member of the PUK's political bureau,

    said that the day before Saddam's capture he was tipped off by a PUK general - Thamir al-Sultan - that Saddam would be arrested within the next 72 hours.

    An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East was quoted in the British Sunday Express yesterday: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."

    There has been no American response to the Kurdish claims.

    An intriguing question is why Kurdish forces were allowed to join what the US desperately needed to present as an American intelligence success - unless the Kurds had something vital to contribute to the operation so far south of their usual area of activity.

    A report from the PUK's northern stronghold, Suliymaniah, early last week claimed a vital intelligence breakthrough after a telephone conversation between Qusrat and Saddam's second wife, Samirah.

  • #2
    Was Saddam actually captured on December 13?

    Al Bawaba

    Nearly a week after the arrest of Saddam Hussein, some serious questions regarding the ousted leader's capture have started to emerge; questions that may unfortunately remain unanswered. Analysts, journalists and Muslims all over the world are casting heavy doubts on the official U.S. version of Saddam Hussein's seizure.

    The world currently has its eyes set on the pictures of bearded and tired-looking Saddam following his arrest. Speculations with regards to Saddam's actual location have also surfaced, and of course, when and where will he stand trial and who will eventually defend him. However, what was not significantly dealt with was the many uncertainties related to the capture of Saddam, especially whether he was actually arrested on the day the Americans said he was?

    In the aftermath of Saddam's arrest and the media-hype which followed, many in the Arab world believe that Saddam was not in fact arrested on Saturday, December 13, but at least ten days beforehand, and arguments raised in defense of this notion are surely worth mentioning.

    For one, it is not conceivable for the Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] to bring someone, of the caliber of Saddam Hussein, straight in front of the media's cameras without having thoroughly interrogated him first. This was probably done over a period of several days, using the torture and sense deprivation techniques and methods that the U.S. is known for. Assuming this, there is no way that Saddam could have been caught on December 13.

    Furthermore, U.S. President George W. Bush carefully timed the way he wanted the announcement to be made, so that it would have the maximum and right impact for him personally. Let us not forget how Bush sneaked his way to Baghdad during Thanksgiving, ate turkey with his soldiers as part of a Public Relations campaign he has embarked on, in view of the upcoming U.S. elections. Additionally, capturing Saddam right before Christmas can only do wonders for the U.S. leader's imageā€¦

    Moreover, when the announcement came through, there were conflicting reports on where Saddam was actually captured. One report mentioned the town of Tikrit although the "spider hole" turned out not to be in Tikrit at all.
    For those of you with a sharp eye, you probably noticed that the announcement of Saddam's capture came only a few days after penalties for Syria had been announced as there was widespread dissatisfaction among Americans that Bush's policy in Iraq had failed due to the high rate of U.S. soldiers being killed on a daily basis and the failure to find any "weapons of mass destruction", which prompted the U.S. army to invade Iraq in the first place. Such an announcement on Saddam's arrest could only boost the morale of U.S. troops, who have suffered many casualties, especially following the so-called official ending of combat in Iraq.

    Furthermore, Bush wanted to divert the world's attention from the mounting U.S. failures in Afghanistan and from the intelligence and operational failure to put his hands on Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Instead, it was easy for Bush to exploit the capture of Saddam and play around with the manner in which it was conducted.

    Just days before December 13, US officials were talking about putting Saddam Hussein on trial and were even changing the law to try former Iraqi regime members.

    Interesting timing - no?

    In addition, only ten days before December 13, Jihad fighters in Iraq had already announced that Saddam Hussein had been captured by the U.S. after intense fighting involving thousands of soldiers, although the Pentagon denied this at the time. In addition, the U.S. media, which pumps information from the administration, has not been accurate in its reports throughout the entire war in Iraq, so why should they be accurate now with regards to Saddam's capture?

    Even Saddam's personal doctor claimed, after watching footage of his capture and treatment, that it is impossible for Hussein to remain compliant unless he had been heavily sedated for several days. His daughter, who currently resides in Jordan, also said her father seemed heavily sedated.

    Another eye-raising question is why Saddam had not put up the slightest resistance, even though he was reportedly armed. Perhaps, Saddam was indeed secretly medicated not to resist before the U.S. forces raided his hiding place.

    Several speculations claim Saddam Hussein was not actually in hiding but that he was a prisoner. The story says that Hussein was actually caught on November 16, and held in the dark hole in Adwar for at least three weeks, while his captors attempted to get the $25 million that the U.S. promised to anyone who found the ousted leader.

    Another story circulating on the streets of Baghdad concerns a photograph of two American soldiers standing beside a date palm tree. The photo was supposedly taken on the day of Saddam's capture. However, according to the story, any Iraqi would know that this picture was a fake, because date palms are usually harvested in the summer time. In any case, un-harvested dates fall off the tree before December, and even if they don't, they are brown and dry, not yellow, as they are in the photograph.

    Meanwhile, there are uncertainties about how the Americans could pull off such a fast DNA test to verify that they had the real Saddam in their hands. Under normal conditions, it can take up to a month to get a DNA study done, although if you pay more money, the process can be completed in a period of five days.

    Yet, the question also remains why, for instance, did Saddam look so confused shortly after his capture? A former Republican Guard officer in the village of Al-Dour, near where Saddam was captured, claimed that some believe the hole had been struck with nerve gas. Dead birds and other apparently drugged animals were discovered around the hideout shortly after the former Iraqi president's capture.

    The U.S. government, known for their habit to "preach" democracy and other such values, should perhaps realize, once and for all, that the world is sick and tired of their biased stands as well as their inaccurate approach in conveying information. Why should Arabs believe the "December 13" version of their story when such conflicting and contradicting information accompanies it? How can one believe anything the U.S. says when the world still awaits to see the location of the Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction"? Maybe it is time for the U.S. to just leave Arabs and Muslims alone, to pull out of Iraqi lands and instead, focus on their own domestic problems at home.



    (I'm bored, if you don't care don't read it)

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    • #3
      yeah i read that someplace, forgot where...and about that other us soldier who got rescued, that girl..it was some iraqi doctor who rescued her.
      This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
      Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
      Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
      And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!
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      • #4
        Couldnt be bothered reading it.

        Whats the jist of the it? Do they think that yanks have the fake saddam or some shit?
        "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."
        - Kurt Vonnegut

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        • #5
          no its just another us-lie. they actually didnt find saddam, it was the kurds.

          and yes, that american woman was treated by iraqi doctors, they treated her very well and then handed ger over to the americans, it was no rescue at all.
          djf

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          • #6
            hmmm this is wierd.
            "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."
            - Kurt Vonnegut

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Socrates
              yeah i read that someplace, forgot where...and about that other us soldier who got rescued, that girl..it was some iraqi doctor who rescued her.
              he told them where they were...he didn't go and rescue her literally

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fumi24
                no its just another us-lie. they actually didnt find saddam, it was the kurds.

                and yes, that american woman was treated by iraqi doctors, they treated her very well and then handed ger over to the americans, it was no rescue at all.
                They wanted to hand her over but the military (or whoever) wanted to make it into a rescue and left her in "enemy hands" longer than she needed to be.

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                • #9
                  haha no dude, it was the us that got him, they have pics of dudes smiling over him right as he is being brought up from the hole, the US never gave an official account of what happend, they said they got intellegence and got him, which is exactly what the kurds are saying happend, no lying
                  Cause the ***** wear a kufi, it don't mean that he bright
                  Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
                  It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rolemodel247
                    haha no dude, it was the us that got him, they have pics of dudes smiling over him right as he is being brought up from the hole, the US never gave an official account of what happend, they said they got intellegence and got him, which is exactly what the kurds are saying happend, no lying
                    Actually, the Kurds are saying it is NOT due to US intelligence that Sadam was captured. They are saying that they invited the US along with them on THEIR RAID of Sadam's "hiding place". They are saying it was THEIR intelligence, not the US's, and the US was just there for muscle. Also, the second article was suggesting that the "dudes smiling over him" rescue was staged with Sadam drugged, long after he was actually caught.

                    They are talking about US lies.
                    Would you let the system sit (shit) down on your head again? NO, DREAD, NO.
                    Would you let the system
                    make you kill your brother man? NO, DREAD, NO
                    .

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                    • #11
                      um, how come you havn't seen those pictures? they have been on tv for prolly less than a minute total, and off of the major stations, the US isn't very good at this propaganda if they are trying to get these images off of tv

                      and, if the kurds found out, and told the US, then that is intellegence on the US's part, yea, the kurds did it and deserve the credit, but the US saying that it was intellegence from the US, is technically accurate because the kurds are an intellegence source
                      Cause the ***** wear a kufi, it don't mean that he bright
                      Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
                      It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write

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                      • #12
                        I am not sure what pictures you're speaking of when you ask how come I haven't seen 'those pictures', but I will agree that technically, the US can say they didn't lie. Of course, we all know that realistically, what they were doing was assuming credit for someone else's work.

                        Just like if I say "my research has led me to believe xxxxx" and it really means "I asked my buddy who actually DID research over a few months on the topic...." most people would call that calling "heresay" by the name "research"....
                        Would you let the system sit (shit) down on your head again? NO, DREAD, NO.
                        Would you let the system
                        make you kill your brother man? NO, DREAD, NO
                        .

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                        • #13
                          to much for me to read sorry.. and i dont think anyone here holds pretty decent points sorry. Id say US did capture Saddam, sorry we can put 400 songs on a little IPOD but we cant find a human bein? i find it only logical that America did find them, with or without help. Thats all
                          I'm making a D12World comeback

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