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  • #76
    Originally posted by Fitz View Post
    Pretty sure Eminem's battles from Scribble Jam against Juice and Rap Olympics were pre-written
    Face it, all battle rappers do the same shit... But, Iron Solomon is hands down the best at doin it...
    I'm not really doubting that they were written (that whole 'racial issue, facial tissue, place'll miss you' part is undeniable). I'm just saying that 8 Mile really pushed that subculture mainstream, and as someone up there said earlier (Axis I believe), battling has changed alot. I'm no expert on this stuff whatsoever, but what I see when I watched these "Street Battles" (lol) is people that not only pre-wrote that stuff (apparently sometimes weeks or months in advance), but they also rehearsed the shit out of it. Clearly. As I said, this stuff is 'made for tv', or these days more like 'made for you tube'...it's staged, its pre-written, its like reality TV show - it's not reality at all.

    I'm not saying Iron Solomon isnt any good...clearly he's very good at what he does, which is sit back and write a bunch of multi-syallable rhymes complete with good metaphors and unique disses, then stands in front of his mirror, sorta jogging on the spot, puking in the toilet, getting ready to go on stage...lol. He WISHES he was Eminem. Do I think this guy would dust Em in a battle?!

    What I'm saying is...there is no Iron Solomon without Eminem. Eminem changed rap somewhat, raised the bar and so along comes this guy, Iron Solomon, riding that wave (as have others, I'm sure). Basically trying to be the next Eminem. He strikes me as a gimmick, a copycat act even. We'll see what happens if he drops an album, I guess.


    I dont know if anyone posted this one, but I just saw it on youtube.It's a good one. Clearly pre-written and heavily rehearsed, both of them. After all, these "street battle" vids they're making are just a form of promotion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSuWF...eature=related
    Last edited by The Relic; 01-20-2010, 03:25 PM.
    Sick sick dreams of picnic scenes
    two kids, sixteen, with M-16s
    and ten clips each and 'dem shits reach through six kids each
    and Slim gets blamed in Bill Clint's speech to fix these streets?

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    • #77
      ^I wouldn't go too far in saying Eminem changed battle rapping. He might have interested more people in it by bringing it mainstream as you said, but other than that I don't think he changed its course much.

      A lot of stuff is prewritten, especially now where it actually all is prewritten in GT and KOTD, but it definitely hasn't always been that way and depends a lot on the venue.

      There are plenty of battles in WRC (not so much 07), Scribble Jam or whatever that were mostly freestyled and evidently so.

      But the people wanted the big punchlines all the time, every line, and that's why things moved more and more to writing. It was a gradual process, and now we've got GT and KOTD where everyone sounds like Illmaculate. I certainly hate the current state of battle rap.

      Edit: Here's a link to the kind of battle rap I like. This is mostly freestyled and constant flips.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG3Xm...eature=related
      Last edited by Stew; 01-20-2010, 04:12 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by SteWonYou View Post
        ^I wouldn't go too far in saying Eminem changed battle rapping. He might have interested more people in it by bringing it mainstream as you said, but other than that I don't think he changed its course much.
        A lot of stuff is prewritten, especially now where it actually all is prewritten in GT and KOTD, but it definitely hasn't always been that way and depends a lot on the venue.
        There are plenty of battles in WRC (not so much 07), Scribble Jam or whatever that were mostly freestyled and evidently so.
        But the people wanted the big punchlines all the time, every line, and that's why things moved more and more to writing. It was a gradual process, and now we've got GT and KOTD where everyone sounds like Illmaculate. I certainly hate the current state of battle rap.
        Yeah, that sounds about right. For the record, with that statement I was referring to rap in general, not battle rapping. I'm sure Em didnt have much of an impact on the scene itself...just what I said about bringing it mainstream...to people like Iron Solomon.
        Sick sick dreams of picnic scenes
        two kids, sixteen, with M-16s
        and ten clips each and 'dem shits reach through six kids each
        and Slim gets blamed in Bill Clint's speech to fix these streets?

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        • #79
          Only battle-rapping we ever saw Eminem doing was in The Rap Olympics in 1997. That was it. It's not even really fair to compare the shit that Iron can pull off against Eminem's short span of work. Either way, the battle he had against that one dude where he mentioned Supreme Mathematics showed me that he's definitely more of a deep thinker than Eminem (Prewritten or not. Let's face it. Em' was never the sharpest knife in the drawer. A few Pop Culture References don't make you a Rocket Scientist. It wasn't really ever about what he said but how he said it that distinguished him from the rest.).
          Disarm feet, I sense a bunker
          I'll trace and crate, then out-freight an Archie
          You couldn't be bum-rushed at a Benefit Concert held inside The Salvation Army!

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          • #80
            Originally posted by The Relic View Post
            Yeah, that sounds about right. For the record, with that statement I was referring to rap in general, not battle rapping. I'm sure Em didnt have much of an impact on the scene itself...just what I said about bringing it mainstream...to people like Iron Solomon.
            Ah yes, sorry if I misinterpreted. In terms of rap in general, no question. In terms of battle rapping, that would be a little harder to gauge, but of course it would have had some impact.

            As for Iron, I don't know why he started battling, but I'm not much of a fan anyway. He recycles and writes too much for my taste. I like some of his lines though.

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            • #81
              Ehh, I don't think he's a complete copycat of Em. White battler maybe, but I don't think he even has similar style to Em. He's great though, don't get me wrong but I wouldn't classify him as a copycat of Em. This, is an Eminem copycat:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDpzTaf8AWQ
              4:22

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsGJ_...response_watch
              lol @ 45 seconds
              the LMAO wall of fame.
              Originally posted by 514~balla
              wtf you talkin' about willis?
              Originally posted by Ty_07
              what you on about? Who the fucks willis?
              Originally posted by G-Unit_Gangv11
              Y'all niggas nearly made me spit out my vitamin water laughing at this shit.

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              • #82
                wow... much better than Eminem's verse.

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                • #83
                  The Saurus and Kid Twist would win.
                  As I, fall deeper into a manic state/I'm a prime candidate to receive some bare ass in face

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                  • #84
                    ^Don't forget Illmaculate. He bodied The Saurus in that battle they had together.
                    P!

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by GunitShadyFan View Post
                      Ehh, I don't think he's a complete copycat of Em. White battler maybe, but I don't think he even has similar style to Em. He's great though, don't get me wrong but I wouldn't classify him as a copycat of Em. This, is an Eminem copycat:

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDpzTaf8AWQ
                      4:22

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsGJ_...response_watch
                      lol @ 45 seconds
                      Agreed. 'Copycat act' wasnt really the word I was looking for...but my point stands on Solomon and these "street battles."
                      Sick sick dreams of picnic scenes
                      two kids, sixteen, with M-16s
                      and ten clips each and 'dem shits reach through six kids each
                      and Slim gets blamed in Bill Clint's speech to fix these streets?

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